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> Unvaccinated people are a danger to themselves and others. False for COVID. The available prophylaxes do not prevent spread. They merely prevent the disease
by donw 5y ago
> Unvaccinated people are a danger to themselves and others.
False for COVID. The available prophylaxes do not prevent spread. They merely prevent the disease from becoming acute. E.g., get the shot, get covid, and you're less likely to suffer severe effects from the disease. That's it.
You could argue "a danger to themselves", but that's their choice.
Hence, my stance is science-based: Get the shot if you have a risk factor (especially obesity!), or if you just want to. Or don't. Either way, you get to make that call.
- croon 5y ago> An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 107,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 1.1%. > And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average. https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187 https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fc...
- ben_w 5y agoVaccines have 71% effectiveness against transmission of COVID: > The researchers looked at 113,582 adult index cases and 253,168 close contacts of all ages; 5,394 fell under both categories. (A close contact was also classified as an index case when they tested positive.) Less than 1% (0.5%) of index cases were fully vaccinated, while 1.8% were partially vaccinated. For close contacts, 2.1% of were fully vaccinated and 1.7% were partially vaccinated. > Overall, the researchers say adjusted vaccine effectiveness (aVE) for fully vaccinated household contacts after confirmed exposure was 75% and 79% for other close contacts (95% CIs, 72% to 78% and 74% to 83%, respectively). https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/study-ties-covid-vaccines-lower-transmission-rates https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/08/study-ti...
- marvin 5y agoVaccines reduce the likelihood of getting infected in the first place, and hence also the likelihood of passing it on after exposure. It doesn’t eliminate the possibility, but on a societal level it has a significant effect. I certainly agree that vaccination should be voluntary, but you haven’t shown that the extreme level of coercion you’re implying actually happens, or that what is policy is disproportional.
- ssully 5y agoBased on your previous posts, this seems like one of those times where you could admit you were wrong and explain why.