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What has exchanged is 1) the massive scale of the human population and 2) wider access to animal protein. Without the subsidies, I expect prices would rise for

What has exchanged is 1) the massive scale of the human population and 2) wider access to animal protein. Without the subsidies, I expect prices would rise for consumers (most farmers are not making vast profits despite subsidies) and that is not a vote winner.

tablespoon 5y ago
> What has exchanged is 1) the massive scale of the human population and 2) wider access to animal protein. Without the subsidies, I expect prices would rise for consumers (most farmers are not making vast profits) and that is not a vote winner. But the context here is lab grown meat. If you removed all subsidies from traditional meat production, I really doubt meat would become more than ten times more expensive. From the OP: > This approach is one factor that helps to cut down the volume of media needed, leading to what sound like impressive results: $18 to produce a pound of cultured chicken, according to a press representative. > That’s the lowest real-world figure I heard in the course of reporting this story. It could also easily translate into a price of more than $30 dollars per pound at retail—and may never go any lower. It's worth noting that those numbers are estimates and the facility that is supposed to produce them hasn't been built to validate them. Compare: https://www.target.com/p/boneless-38-skinless-chicken-breasts-value-pack-3-75-7-675-lbs-price-per-lb-good-38-gather-8482/-/A-54197515 https://www.target.com/p/boneless-38-skinless-chicken-breast... > Boneless & Skinless Chicken Breasts > $1.99/lb https://www.target.com/p/chicken-drumsticks-value-pack-4-28-5-83lbs-price-per-lb-good-38-gather-8482/-/A-54197511 https://www.target.com/p/chicken-drumsticks-value-pack-4-28-... > Chicken Drumsticks > $1.29/lb
- dm3 5y ago
  The country with the most expensive meat I know is Switzerland. The local chains Migros and Coop mostly sell meat produced in Switzerland. Here's the chicken you can usually find on the shelves in Migros: https://produkte.migros.ch/optigal-poulet-241001011000 https://produkte.migros.ch/optigal-poulet-241001011000 > Whole chicken - $10/kg https://produkte.migros.ch/optigal-poulet-schenkel-241110100000 https://produkte.migros.ch/optigal-poulet-schenkel-241110100... > Chicken drumsticks - $15/kg https://produkte.migros.ch/poulet-brustschnitzel https://produkte.migros.ch/poulet-brustschnitzel > Chicken breasts - $30/kg https://produkte.migros.ch/bio-pouletbrust https://produkte.migros.ch/bio-pouletbrust > Chicken breasts (I suspect this is free range) - $58/kg
  - HPsquared 5y ago
    Ah yes, but how much would lab-grown meat produced in Switzerland cost?
    - dagw 5y ago
      Given that Switzerland has a world class chemical engineering and pharmaceutical industry and production facilities already, hypothetical lab-grown meat from Switzerland will probably among the cheaper high quality lab-grown meat in the world.
      - HPsquared 5y ago
        My understanding of Swiss manufacturing industry is high-end, complicated things. I agree it's likely that Swiss lab-made meat would be the cheapest in the world, but only by virtue of being the only place where it's feasible to make it.
  - coffeemig 5y ago
    Are the Swiss vegetarians, or do they just have a high median income? Coming from the US, those prices are unthinkable.
    - bserge 5y ago
      They have a high income and are really good at ignoring the poor who do the dirty, low paid jobs and at best eat mortadella/baloney, cheese and eggs (doing their part for the planet, unlike everyone else lmao). Just like other western EU countries, tbh.
      - dm3 5y ago
        Switzerland does have poor people. ~10% of the population below the poverty line which is defined around 2.2k CHF/month per person. This definitely doesn't allow for a lot of high quality meat consumption.

tablespoon 5y ago

> What has exchanged is 1) the massive scale of the human population and 2) wider access to animal protein. Without the subsidies, I expect prices would rise for consumers (most farmers are not making vast profits) and that is not a vote winner. But the context here is lab grown meat. If you removed all subsidies from traditional meat production, I really doubt meat would become more than ten times more expensive. From the OP: > This approach is one factor that helps to cut down the volume of media needed, leading to what sound like impressive results: $18 to produce a pound of cultured chicken, according to a press representative. > That’s the lowest real-world figure I heard in the course of reporting this story. It could also easily translate into a price of more than $30 dollars per pound at retail—and may never go any lower. It's worth noting that those numbers are estimates and the facility that is supposed to produce them hasn't been built to validate them. Compare: https://www.target.com/p/boneless-38-skinless-chicken-breasts-value-pack-3-75-7-675-lbs-price-per-lb-good-38-gather-8482/-/A-54197515 https://www.target.com/p/boneless-38-skinless-chicken-breast... > Boneless & Skinless Chicken Breasts > $1.99/lb https://www.target.com/p/chicken-drumsticks-value-pack-4-28-5-83lbs-price-per-lb-good-38-gather-8482/-/A-54197511 https://www.target.com/p/chicken-drumsticks-value-pack-4-28-... > Chicken Drumsticks > $1.29/lb

dm3 5y ago
The country with the most expensive meat I know is Switzerland. The local chains Migros and Coop mostly sell meat produced in Switzerland. Here's the chicken you can usually find on the shelves in Migros: https://produkte.migros.ch/optigal-poulet-241001011000 https://produkte.migros.ch/optigal-poulet-241001011000 > Whole chicken - $10/kg https://produkte.migros.ch/optigal-poulet-schenkel-241110100000 https://produkte.migros.ch/optigal-poulet-schenkel-241110100... > Chicken drumsticks - $15/kg https://produkte.migros.ch/poulet-brustschnitzel https://produkte.migros.ch/poulet-brustschnitzel > Chicken breasts - $30/kg https://produkte.migros.ch/bio-pouletbrust https://produkte.migros.ch/bio-pouletbrust > Chicken breasts (I suspect this is free range) - $58/kg
- HPsquared 5y ago
  Ah yes, but how much would lab-grown meat produced in Switzerland cost?
  - dagw 5y ago
    Given that Switzerland has a world class chemical engineering and pharmaceutical industry and production facilities already, hypothetical lab-grown meat from Switzerland will probably among the cheaper high quality lab-grown meat in the world.
    - HPsquared 5y ago
      My understanding of Swiss manufacturing industry is high-end, complicated things. I agree it's likely that Swiss lab-made meat would be the cheapest in the world, but only by virtue of being the only place where it's feasible to make it.
- coffeemig 5y ago
  Are the Swiss vegetarians, or do they just have a high median income? Coming from the US, those prices are unthinkable.
  - bserge 5y ago
    They have a high income and are really good at ignoring the poor who do the dirty, low paid jobs and at best eat mortadella/baloney, cheese and eggs (doing their part for the planet, unlike everyone else lmao). Just like other western EU countries, tbh.
    - dm3 5y ago
      Switzerland does have poor people. ~10% of the population below the poverty line which is defined around 2.2k CHF/month per person. This definitely doesn't allow for a lot of high quality meat consumption.