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Dairy is bad in general. It is proven to increase biomarkers of oxidation and inflammation. It's the most common food allergen by far, but mostly causes very m

Dairy is bad in general. It is proven to increase biomarkers of oxidation and inflammation. It's the most common food allergen by far, but mostly causes very mild symptoms. a bit of stuffy nose, a bit of reflux, things like that. Consumption of dairy in general is correlated with osteoporosis. Some hypothesize this effect is mediated by the osteolytic effects of chronic allergic inflammation. BMJ study from 2014: https://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015 https://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015 Diary is inflammatory: "In subsamples of two additional cohorts, one in males and one in females, a positive association was seen between milk intake and both urine 8-iso-PGF2α (a biomarker of oxidative stress) and serum interleukin 6 (a main inflammatory biomarker)." "High milk intake was associated with higher mortality in one cohort of women and in another cohort of men, and with higher fracture incidence in women." 8-iso-PGF2α is produced by inflammatory cells (mast cells, etc). You do not need to have clinically significant allergy to suffer from chronic inflammation.

rsanheim 5y ago
> Consumption of dairy in general is correlated with osteoporosis. Have some research that supports this? Consuming dairy (for those who aren't allergic or sensitive) is one of the best ways to get keep calcium and vitamin D intake high, which is pretty important for _preventing_ osteoporosis (see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7353177/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7353177/ as one example, I'm sure there are many other studies on this).
- DoreenMichele 5y ago
  A quick search turns up contradictory results. I imagine it would depend on factors a lot of studies would not cover. As one semi related example, when I was extremely ill I found grass-fed organic meats less acidic and more tolerable than other meats. I imagine the devil is in the details and this is likely part of why there end up being strong opinions on both sides where people with opposing views feel vehemently that both studies and firsthand experience agree.
  - inter_netuser 5y ago
    People concentrate too much on mineral density and calcium/VitD when it comes to diary. Chronic inflammation is the actual reason for negative effects of diary, but it is an fairly inexpensive energy-dense non-perishable food that sells great and most can live with chronic inflammation for decades right up until they need a knee replacement. The "contradictory" results are simply an effect of a well funded industry. Got milk?
    - DoreenMichele 5y ago
      The "contradictory" results are simply an effect of a well funded industry. I've spent a lot of time in alternative med circles and spent a lot of years pursuing alternative remedies for my deadly inflammatory condition (many of them dietary in nature). I don't think it's that simple. I think it makes a big difference how the cows are raised, treated, fed, etc. I've known people who swore by, for example, unpasteurized milk. We do a lot of things to our food these days that mean that not all milk is chemically equivalent. That's my point. You don't have to agree, of course. But don't pretend I didn't already say exactly that earlier.
      - inter_netuser 5y ago
        you find some types of milk products help your condition?
        DoreenMichele 5y ago
        I eat a lot of cheese. That's a milk product. I also use a lot of butter. When I was sicker, I tried to stick to organic and even sometimes clarified it. It made a difference when I was really, really sick. I'm not a big milk drinker.
- ac29 5y ago
  According to your source, milk and other dairy foods are poor sources of Vitamin D. Its only after fortification with added Vitamin D that they become good sources. So, I dont see any reason to choose dairy over any other source of supplementary Vitamin D (yes, dairy has calcium, but so do many other foods).
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rsanheim 5y ago

> Consumption of dairy in general is correlated with osteoporosis. Have some research that supports this? Consuming dairy (for those who aren't allergic or sensitive) is one of the best ways to get keep calcium and vitamin D intake high, which is pretty important for _preventing_ osteoporosis (see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7353177/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7353177/ as one example, I'm sure there are many other studies on this).

DoreenMichele 5y ago
A quick search turns up contradictory results. I imagine it would depend on factors a lot of studies would not cover. As one semi related example, when I was extremely ill I found grass-fed organic meats less acidic and more tolerable than other meats. I imagine the devil is in the details and this is likely part of why there end up being strong opinions on both sides where people with opposing views feel vehemently that both studies and firsthand experience agree.
- inter_netuser 5y ago
  People concentrate too much on mineral density and calcium/VitD when it comes to diary. Chronic inflammation is the actual reason for negative effects of diary, but it is an fairly inexpensive energy-dense non-perishable food that sells great and most can live with chronic inflammation for decades right up until they need a knee replacement. The "contradictory" results are simply an effect of a well funded industry. Got milk?
  - DoreenMichele 5y ago
    The "contradictory" results are simply an effect of a well funded industry. I've spent a lot of time in alternative med circles and spent a lot of years pursuing alternative remedies for my deadly inflammatory condition (many of them dietary in nature). I don't think it's that simple. I think it makes a big difference how the cows are raised, treated, fed, etc. I've known people who swore by, for example, unpasteurized milk. We do a lot of things to our food these days that mean that not all milk is chemically equivalent. That's my point. You don't have to agree, of course. But don't pretend I didn't already say exactly that earlier.
    - inter_netuser 5y ago
      you find some types of milk products help your condition?
      - DoreenMichele 5y ago
        I eat a lot of cheese. That's a milk product. I also use a lot of butter. When I was sicker, I tried to stick to organic and even sometimes clarified it. It made a difference when I was really, really sick. I'm not a big milk drinker.
ac29 5y ago
According to your source, milk and other dairy foods are poor sources of Vitamin D. Its only after fortification with added Vitamin D that they become good sources. So, I dont see any reason to choose dairy over any other source of supplementary Vitamin D (yes, dairy has calcium, but so do many other foods).
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