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Curiously you can vote as a Permanent Resident. As far as I can tell, the only difference is that you don't get to have an NZ passport. My father has lived he

Curiously you can vote as a Permanent Resident. As far as I can tell, the only difference is that you don't get to have an NZ passport. My father has lived here for 50 years and hasn't bothered to get Citizenship.

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dkjaudyeqooe 5y ago
A significant reason to have the NZ passport is that you can live and work in Australia freely.
- LAC-Tech 5y ago
  Exactly. Student Visa -> Residence Visa -> Permanent Residence Visa -> Citizenship can be done in about the time it takes to get a post graduate degree. It's very commonly done.
  - peterburkimsher 5y ago
    Sadly that hasn't happened for at least 2 of my friends from Global church (Krystal and Agnes). They were both here when I came on Working Holiday in summer 2011-12. They're both still here, still stuck in Student visa -> Work visa cycles. There is no path to residency that I can see unless you're 1. obscenely wealthy or 2. working for a large, rich company who work closely with MBIE. And because those companies work closely with MBIE, the Minister's advice gets passed down to HR. So it's extremely difficult to get jobs at such companies without already being a citizen or resident. I still think it's pretty miraculous that I was offered the job now, and barely in time for the case officer! The solution is for HR to push back, and specifically demand that we have more people from other countries. Right now we're working on translating some software, and it would be much more convenient to have native speakers of other languages working in the company. Instead, we contract it out to a third party, but they don't have the context (and we can't share everything with them due to intellectual property considerations). So we really need to be allowed to hire some more multicultural people, it will help the company and help the world.
    - EdwardDiego 5y ago
      ...what is Global Church?
      - peterburkimsher 5y ago
        The Global congregation of Auckland Baptist Tabernacle, 10:30 am Sunday, 429 Queen St. One of the least "baptist" of baptist churches that I've known; started as a Bible study for non-native English speakers and grew into a whole church! We thank Jesus by singing songs, listen to someone talk for 20-30 mins, discuss questions around circular tables, then share lunch together. My favourite church is where the sermons are convicting and the people are encouraging (and least favourite is the opposite). Global is a really great community, welcoming newcomers, and encouraging humble conversation rather than pushing a view. So please, welcome to join and worship God with us online! (and in person after lockdown's done for the food) https://www.youtube.com/user/tabglobal https://www.youtube.com/user/tabglobal
berkut 5y ago
You can vote as a Temporary Resident as well...
- peterburkimsher 5y ago
  Really? You just made me much more interested in NZ politics, if I'm finally allowed to have an opinion and express that with a vote. Is there a policy-comparison website? I think I know who I admire most, but I think it's unlikely that they'll ever get elected outside of a coalition. So it makes more sense to vote strategically for the constituency where I'm living.
  - mkl 5y ago
    It's almost never possible for any party to govern without a coalition (since we changed from FPP to MMP in 1996). The 2020 election was the first time since 1993 that any party won an outright majority of the seats, and they had unique circumstances to thank: pandemic success and an imploding main opposition party. This perhaps-overly-detailed article will give you a good picture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_New_Zealand_general_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_New_Zealand_general_elect... There are a few comparison sites. https://policy.nz/ https://policy.nz/ is one, but note that there are a bunch of minor parties that didn't get any seats (some of which just popped up for this election), so use the Wikipedia article above to get an idea of who actually mattered in the end.
YPPH 5y ago
An often underappreciated distinction between citizens and permanent residents is that if you are convicted of an offence you may be liable to forced removal if you are a non-citizen. [0] There are cases in Australia of people who have spent nearly their entire life in the country, but never obtained citizenship, and who were deported for committing crimes, [1] including minor drug offences. [0] https://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/not-rated/deportation-being-made-to-leave-new-zealand/when-you-can-be-deported-grounds-for-deportation/ https://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/not-rated/d... [1] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/21/it-starts-with-one-child-white-hot-anger-in-new-zealand-as-australia-deports-15-year-old https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/21/it-st...

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dkjaudyeqooe 5y ago

A significant reason to have the NZ passport is that you can live and work in Australia freely.

LAC-Tech 5y ago
Exactly. Student Visa -> Residence Visa -> Permanent Residence Visa -> Citizenship can be done in about the time it takes to get a post graduate degree. It's very commonly done.
- peterburkimsher 5y ago
  Sadly that hasn't happened for at least 2 of my friends from Global church (Krystal and Agnes). They were both here when I came on Working Holiday in summer 2011-12. They're both still here, still stuck in Student visa -> Work visa cycles. There is no path to residency that I can see unless you're 1. obscenely wealthy or 2. working for a large, rich company who work closely with MBIE. And because those companies work closely with MBIE, the Minister's advice gets passed down to HR. So it's extremely difficult to get jobs at such companies without already being a citizen or resident. I still think it's pretty miraculous that I was offered the job now, and barely in time for the case officer! The solution is for HR to push back, and specifically demand that we have more people from other countries. Right now we're working on translating some software, and it would be much more convenient to have native speakers of other languages working in the company. Instead, we contract it out to a third party, but they don't have the context (and we can't share everything with them due to intellectual property considerations). So we really need to be allowed to hire some more multicultural people, it will help the company and help the world.
  - EdwardDiego 5y ago
    ...what is Global Church?
    - peterburkimsher 5y ago
      The Global congregation of Auckland Baptist Tabernacle, 10:30 am Sunday, 429 Queen St. One of the least "baptist" of baptist churches that I've known; started as a Bible study for non-native English speakers and grew into a whole church! We thank Jesus by singing songs, listen to someone talk for 20-30 mins, discuss questions around circular tables, then share lunch together. My favourite church is where the sermons are convicting and the people are encouraging (and least favourite is the opposite). Global is a really great community, welcoming newcomers, and encouraging humble conversation rather than pushing a view. So please, welcome to join and worship God with us online! (and in person after lockdown's done for the food) https://www.youtube.com/user/tabglobal https://www.youtube.com/user/tabglobal

berkut 5y ago

You can vote as a Temporary Resident as well...

peterburkimsher 5y ago
Really? You just made me much more interested in NZ politics, if I'm finally allowed to have an opinion and express that with a vote. Is there a policy-comparison website? I think I know who I admire most, but I think it's unlikely that they'll ever get elected outside of a coalition. So it makes more sense to vote strategically for the constituency where I'm living.
- mkl 5y ago
  It's almost never possible for any party to govern without a coalition (since we changed from FPP to MMP in 1996). The 2020 election was the first time since 1993 that any party won an outright majority of the seats, and they had unique circumstances to thank: pandemic success and an imploding main opposition party. This perhaps-overly-detailed article will give you a good picture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_New_Zealand_general_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_New_Zealand_general_elect... There are a few comparison sites. https://policy.nz/ https://policy.nz/ is one, but note that there are a bunch of minor parties that didn't get any seats (some of which just popped up for this election), so use the Wikipedia article above to get an idea of who actually mattered in the end.

YPPH 5y ago

An often underappreciated distinction between citizens and permanent residents is that if you are convicted of an offence you may be liable to forced removal if you are a non-citizen. [0] There are cases in Australia of people who have spent nearly their entire life in the country, but never obtained citizenship, and who were deported for committing crimes, [1] including minor drug offences. [0] https://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/not-rated/deportation-being-made-to-leave-new-zealand/when-you-can-be-deported-grounds-for-deportation/ https://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/not-rated/d... [1] https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/21/it-starts-with-one-child-white-hot-anger-in-new-zealand-as-australia-deports-15-year-old https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/21/it-st...