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> If cultured protein is going to be even 10 percent of the world’s meat supply by 2030 Why do we need protein from meat? The money to engineer cultivated pro

> If cultured protein is going to be even 10 percent of the world’s meat supply by 2030 Why do we need protein from meat? The money to engineer cultivated protein could be directed to educating simple americans on the fact that they're consuming way too much protein already. Most americans consume twice the daily protein they need.[1][2] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/well/eat/how-much-protein-do-we-need.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/well/eat/how-much-protein... [2]https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-much-protein-do-you-need-every-day-201506188096 https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/how-much-protein-do-you-...

ryan93 5y ago
People want it. Who cares about eating the exact minimum.
- DoreenMichele 5y ago
  Cutting out something you don't actually need rather than inventing lab grown meat is an elegant answer to a complex problem. It isn't like asking people to be vegan or something extreme like that. Just be aware of what your body actually needs and don't go overboard or be wasteful. Why would that be some kind of controversial message or idea?
  - XorNot 5y ago
    Inventing lab grown meat is a good way to make the problems of scaling the raw inputs for custom grown human organs to be sufficiently cheap that everyone can have them. Building a factory to make aluminium foil is extremely expensive if that's all you're trying to do: it's a lot cheaper if there's already a global mining industry producing aluminium in many near-finished states.
    - DoreenMichele 5y ago
      I loathe the idea that everyone getting replacement organs is some kind of good thing to be shooting for. I have a condition where organ replacement is fairly common. I very much wish the world invested more effort in keeping people like me actually healthy rather than celebrating the macabre prospect of giving more of us replacement organs. So this is a problem space I've thought about a fair amount and I have zero sympathy for an argument for engineering organ replacement for everyone.
      - XorNot 5y ago
        You seem unaware of the many and myriad reasons organ transplants are performed. Like you get that by the time doctors are considering it, it's because the alternative is they think you're either (1) going to die soon when it becomes necessary or (2) is necessary right now. Did you know there are people who survive COVID and wind up in kidney failure from the stress on their body? What's your answer to them? Oh right: hope you can get a kidney and then enjoy life on immunosuppressant drugs. But you know, go tell those dialysis patients on the waiting list that actually they're not that important.
        DoreenMichele 5y ago
        You seem unaware of the many and myriad reasons organ transplants are performed. I'm not. I'm just skeptical that putting more time, energy and money into headline grabbing "heroics" actually makes people healthier and I am very concerned that it only turns people like me into guinea pigs for people who want some limelight more than they want (people like) me to experience some kind of reasonable quality of life.
        XorNot 5y ago
        > it only turns people like me into guinea pigs for people Did you also know that you are legally allowed to decline medical procedures? You can even sign yourself out of a hospital AMA ("Against Medical Advice") if you don't like what's happening. You are also completely free, and generally advised, to seek alternate medical opinions. The existence of a medical procedure or option has not, and never does, obligate you to take it.
        DoreenMichele 5y ago
        The absence of alternatives is my concern. If we optimize for better organ replacement instead of optimizing for how to help people keep their existing organs functional, it's really an asinine thing to pretend they have some kind of meaningful choice. "Oh, well, now that we've let your organs decline this far, you can get a transplant and maybe live. Or you are free to decline it and almost certainly die." is not a meaningful choice. I've gotten ridiculous amounts of flak for making real choices about my health. Much of the world would like me to know I'm evil incarnate for doing prosaic things like eating better as a first line of defense.
    - sinemetu11 5y ago
      I guess you could say this, but given that the planet is essentially burning it seems like we're getting way ahead of ourselves with this type of "solution" when we could be working on more important problems.
phonypc 5y ago
Might want to actually read your second reference. It doesn't agree with your claim.
- DoreenMichele 5y ago
  The summit was organized and sponsored by beef, egg, and other animal-based food industry groups No conflict of interest there. I've long heard that most Americans eat too much meat/protein. My understanding is that's a completely reasonable claim, citations or no citations.
  - phonypc 5y ago
    I'm amenable to the idea that the typical American gets sufficient protein to fulfill their needs. Referencing an article that doesn't support one's argument is nonetheless silly.
    - DoreenMichele 5y ago
      It's a nit and harms the signal to noise ratio. There are good kinds of pedantry and bad kinds.

ryan93 5y ago

People want it. Who cares about eating the exact minimum.

DoreenMichele 5y ago
Cutting out something you don't actually need rather than inventing lab grown meat is an elegant answer to a complex problem. It isn't like asking people to be vegan or something extreme like that. Just be aware of what your body actually needs and don't go overboard or be wasteful. Why would that be some kind of controversial message or idea?
- XorNot 5y ago
  Inventing lab grown meat is a good way to make the problems of scaling the raw inputs for custom grown human organs to be sufficiently cheap that everyone can have them. Building a factory to make aluminium foil is extremely expensive if that's all you're trying to do: it's a lot cheaper if there's already a global mining industry producing aluminium in many near-finished states.
  - DoreenMichele 5y ago
    I loathe the idea that everyone getting replacement organs is some kind of good thing to be shooting for. I have a condition where organ replacement is fairly common. I very much wish the world invested more effort in keeping people like me actually healthy rather than celebrating the macabre prospect of giving more of us replacement organs. So this is a problem space I've thought about a fair amount and I have zero sympathy for an argument for engineering organ replacement for everyone.
    - XorNot 5y ago
      You seem unaware of the many and myriad reasons organ transplants are performed. Like you get that by the time doctors are considering it, it's because the alternative is they think you're either (1) going to die soon when it becomes necessary or (2) is necessary right now. Did you know there are people who survive COVID and wind up in kidney failure from the stress on their body? What's your answer to them? Oh right: hope you can get a kidney and then enjoy life on immunosuppressant drugs. But you know, go tell those dialysis patients on the waiting list that actually they're not that important.
      - DoreenMichele 5y ago
        You seem unaware of the many and myriad reasons organ transplants are performed. I'm not. I'm just skeptical that putting more time, energy and money into headline grabbing "heroics" actually makes people healthier and I am very concerned that it only turns people like me into guinea pigs for people who want some limelight more than they want (people like) me to experience some kind of reasonable quality of life.
        XorNot 5y ago
        > it only turns people like me into guinea pigs for people Did you also know that you are legally allowed to decline medical procedures? You can even sign yourself out of a hospital AMA ("Against Medical Advice") if you don't like what's happening. You are also completely free, and generally advised, to seek alternate medical opinions. The existence of a medical procedure or option has not, and never does, obligate you to take it.
        DoreenMichele 5y ago
        The absence of alternatives is my concern. If we optimize for better organ replacement instead of optimizing for how to help people keep their existing organs functional, it's really an asinine thing to pretend they have some kind of meaningful choice. "Oh, well, now that we've let your organs decline this far, you can get a transplant and maybe live. Or you are free to decline it and almost certainly die." is not a meaningful choice. I've gotten ridiculous amounts of flak for making real choices about my health. Much of the world would like me to know I'm evil incarnate for doing prosaic things like eating better as a first line of defense.
  - sinemetu11 5y ago
    I guess you could say this, but given that the planet is essentially burning it seems like we're getting way ahead of ourselves with this type of "solution" when we could be working on more important problems.

phonypc 5y ago

Might want to actually read your second reference. It doesn't agree with your claim.

DoreenMichele 5y ago
The summit was organized and sponsored by beef, egg, and other animal-based food industry groups No conflict of interest there. I've long heard that most Americans eat too much meat/protein. My understanding is that's a completely reasonable claim, citations or no citations.
- phonypc 5y ago
  I'm amenable to the idea that the typical American gets sufficient protein to fulfill their needs. Referencing an article that doesn't support one's argument is nonetheless silly.
  - DoreenMichele 5y ago
    It's a nit and harms the signal to noise ratio. There are good kinds of pedantry and bad kinds.