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Not a troll: how do you know that number? Pfizer’s own RCT showed no difference in all cause mortality after six months
by pigeonhole123 5y ago
Not a troll: how do you know that number? Pfizer’s own RCT showed no difference in all cause mortality after six months
- jjeaff 5y agoThat was the trial that only had 40k participants. Adverse effects are so rare, it had to be administered to tens of millions of people to the public at large before just a few showed up.
- mlyle 5y agoWhich number? The few hundred thousand saved? There's possible confounds, but none can explain vaccinated people being fewer than 6% of deaths (my MLE: about 2% of deaths) and more than 50% of the population. Especially since the vaccinated are, overall, a sicker and older population than the country at large. The vaccine RCTs were not powered sufficiently to show a reduction in COVID death, given that they had no or basically no COVID death in either group. They did show a huge reduction in illness and severe illness, and now we're observing a commensurate reduction in death in the population.
- lamontcg 5y agohttps://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm?s_cid=mm7037e1_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm?s_cid=mm... population normalized death incidence is down by 10x in vaccinated over unvaccinated (which includes recovered individuals in with the unvaccinated, so the number compared to susceptible is probably 20x). with a bit over half the population vaccinated that suggests that at least the 100,000 deaths since june would have been twice as bad without vaccinations. not including any effects of vaccination on reducing infection/transmission (and for all the hype about "waning" the protection against infection is still substantial).