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Yes, Mozilla is way better - the polar opposite really. Judge them on their record. Your not liking a company that is giving them money and Brave's actual rec

Yes, Mozilla is way better - the polar opposite really. Judge them on their record. Your not liking a company that is giving them money and Brave's actual record of being endlessly slimy and untrustworthy. Mozilla undermines Google at every chance so clearly the only result of Google money is what you see in Firefox and that is easily changable.

BrendanEich 5y ago
I'm glad you like Firefox, I spent a lot of years on it, and on Mozilla, Gecko, SpiderMonkey, and the XUL platform before it. But Mozilla is currently beholden to Google and this has left them with year over year market share losses against Chrome. I don't see how they've "undermined" Google. If they switch to Bing as scooped by TechCrunch, they may start.
- tomComb 5y ago
  Yes, I'm quite familiar with your record - you sell it endlessly. Your getting in early at Mozilla doesn't make up for the damage you've done to the web with Brave.
  - BrendanEich 5y ago
    "damage"? Be serious. Brave even at 40M users has not done enough to the Web to merit such fake-drama langauge from you. What's your issue?
    - DonHopkins 5y ago
      Since you claim to be so honest and open and brave, then please finally and truthfully answer my questions about all the damage you intentionally inflicted on same sex couples in California, by donating your money to the Proposition 8 campaign, who used your money to produce hateful anti-gay propaganda full of outright lies and "fake drama language", like this "Gathering Storm" ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AzLrn5JVIo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AzLrn5JVIo Why did you successfully try to destroy other people's marriages by donating your money to support Proposition 8? Please explain why you believe same sex couples shouldn't have the same human rights to marry the person they love that you presumably enjoy? Was your own marriage undermined as badly as you intentionally undermined many other people's marriages, after the Supreme Court declared same sex marriage legal?
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - BrendanEich 5y ago
        Never funded NOM or that video, Don. Try not lying so much about me. Once again, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28621826 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28621826.
        DonHopkins 5y ago
        >Once again, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28621826 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28621826. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28621826 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28621826 says: >[deleted] That doesn't answer my questions. You, Brendan Eich, helped fund the campaign for Proposition 8, which destroyed many marriages. True or false? Honestly, can you please address those questions directly, instead of linking me to a deleted message and dodging the questions? If you don't want same sex couples to get married, at least be brave enough to come out and say it, instead of dodging and playing semantic word games.
        BrendanEich 5y ago
        Link to not-deleted message: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12721891 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12721891
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      I'll gladly explain for the other people who might be scrolling by, since time immemorial has proven that user feedback falls on deaf ears at BraveCorp. The internet is not made "good" by by browser manufacturers. This is something we fought about when Chrome assumed dominance, and it holds true today. The thing that makes the internet good is content: a perfect browser does literally nothing except format content properly into an open window. That's why power-users will still reach for Firefox, Chrome, or god forbid Safari before they consider trying "the cryptocurrency browser by a guy nobody trusts". Hell, I'd probably install the stupid Opera Gaming Browser before I'd be caught using Brave. That only leaves you the market of people who would like to earn pennies on the dollar browsing the web, but also pay for their DSL access every month. In all fairness, it's a market you've capitalized on very well, which is why it so closely resembles abuse. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck... I won't believe you when you're telling me it's actually a lion.
      - BrendanEich 5y ago
        You are quite mistaken on "format content properly", as Firefox based on Gecko does not agree in detail (esp. on mobile) with Chrome, so people tend to go to Chrome over time. Worse, as Firefox loses share on this basis (among others), sites whose webdevs test in Chrome and Safari only (Edge is Chromium-based) tend to break Firefox. This spirals down. But keep pretending browsers are passive, blind formatting engines! In fact Google did Chrome because it learned from Firefox that browsers are high-value user agents, and if they camouflage as passive/blind agents, then the big tech network superpower can have its way with the user, both through top sites such as Google search tied into default omnibus search engine setting, and over time via Google's browser tying (an antitrust term) other Google products, Google's accounts and analytics systems, and even full ad-exchange user-tracking, into its browser. As for user feedback falling on deaf ears, you are simply making stuff up. Chrome ignores user complaints, Firefox too (roasted endlessly over killing XUL add-ons, Proton UX, etc.). Brave is all over Twitter and Reddit and we do live customer support there. I spend a good chunk of every day on it. As Chesterton put it, one can always be blind to a thing so long as it is big enough. That seems to be the case with you and your "format content properly" statement here. If you are a Chrome user, I hope you disable account-based tracking in your Google account(s). If you use Firefox, ditto, and beware tracking pixels they whitelist on Google's SERP.
  - goldforever 5y ago
    what a dumb comment! enough internet for you, go finding something useful to do with your life.

BrendanEich 5y ago

I'm glad you like Firefox, I spent a lot of years on it, and on Mozilla, Gecko, SpiderMonkey, and the XUL platform before it. But Mozilla is currently beholden to Google and this has left them with year over year market share losses against Chrome. I don't see how they've "undermined" Google. If they switch to Bing as scooped by TechCrunch, they may start.

tomComb 5y ago
Yes, I'm quite familiar with your record - you sell it endlessly. Your getting in early at Mozilla doesn't make up for the damage you've done to the web with Brave.
- BrendanEich 5y ago
  "damage"? Be serious. Brave even at 40M users has not done enough to the Web to merit such fake-drama langauge from you. What's your issue?
  - DonHopkins 5y ago
    Since you claim to be so honest and open and brave, then please finally and truthfully answer my questions about all the damage you intentionally inflicted on same sex couples in California, by donating your money to the Proposition 8 campaign, who used your money to produce hateful anti-gay propaganda full of outright lies and "fake drama language", like this "Gathering Storm" ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AzLrn5JVIo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AzLrn5JVIo Why did you successfully try to destroy other people's marriages by donating your money to support Proposition 8? Please explain why you believe same sex couples shouldn't have the same human rights to marry the person they love that you presumably enjoy? Was your own marriage undermined as badly as you intentionally undermined many other people's marriages, after the Supreme Court declared same sex marriage legal?
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - BrendanEich 5y ago
      Never funded NOM or that video, Don. Try not lying so much about me. Once again, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28621826 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28621826.
      - DonHopkins 5y ago
        >Once again, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28621826 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28621826. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28621826 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28621826 says: >[deleted] That doesn't answer my questions. You, Brendan Eich, helped fund the campaign for Proposition 8, which destroyed many marriages. True or false? Honestly, can you please address those questions directly, instead of linking me to a deleted message and dodging the questions? If you don't want same sex couples to get married, at least be brave enough to come out and say it, instead of dodging and playing semantic word games.
      - BrendanEich 5y ago
        Link to not-deleted message: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12721891 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12721891
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    I'll gladly explain for the other people who might be scrolling by, since time immemorial has proven that user feedback falls on deaf ears at BraveCorp. The internet is not made "good" by by browser manufacturers. This is something we fought about when Chrome assumed dominance, and it holds true today. The thing that makes the internet good is content: a perfect browser does literally nothing except format content properly into an open window. That's why power-users will still reach for Firefox, Chrome, or god forbid Safari before they consider trying "the cryptocurrency browser by a guy nobody trusts". Hell, I'd probably install the stupid Opera Gaming Browser before I'd be caught using Brave. That only leaves you the market of people who would like to earn pennies on the dollar browsing the web, but also pay for their DSL access every month. In all fairness, it's a market you've capitalized on very well, which is why it so closely resembles abuse. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck... I won't believe you when you're telling me it's actually a lion.
    - BrendanEich 5y ago
      You are quite mistaken on "format content properly", as Firefox based on Gecko does not agree in detail (esp. on mobile) with Chrome, so people tend to go to Chrome over time. Worse, as Firefox loses share on this basis (among others), sites whose webdevs test in Chrome and Safari only (Edge is Chromium-based) tend to break Firefox. This spirals down. But keep pretending browsers are passive, blind formatting engines! In fact Google did Chrome because it learned from Firefox that browsers are high-value user agents, and if they camouflage as passive/blind agents, then the big tech network superpower can have its way with the user, both through top sites such as Google search tied into default omnibus search engine setting, and over time via Google's browser tying (an antitrust term) other Google products, Google's accounts and analytics systems, and even full ad-exchange user-tracking, into its browser. As for user feedback falling on deaf ears, you are simply making stuff up. Chrome ignores user complaints, Firefox too (roasted endlessly over killing XUL add-ons, Proton UX, etc.). Brave is all over Twitter and Reddit and we do live customer support there. I spend a good chunk of every day on it. As Chesterton put it, one can always be blind to a thing so long as it is big enough. That seems to be the case with you and your "format content properly" statement here. If you are a Chrome user, I hope you disable account-based tracking in your Google account(s). If you use Firefox, ditto, and beware tracking pixels they whitelist on Google's SERP.
- goldforever 5y ago
  what a dumb comment! enough internet for you, go finding something useful to do with your life.