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You are making the argument that public pay reduces the upper window on merit-based compensation. This may even be true! However, consider the other group of p

You are making the argument that public pay reduces the upper window on merit-based compensation. This may even be true! However, consider the other group of people this helps. Minorities, H1B holders, other commonly discriminated classes, who discover they are doing the same work as a colleague and being payed 1/3 the rate. Should these folks get screwed over so you can get your negotiated high pay? Has the trade off even been considered? I'm not saying you're wrong. I just want to make clear what the other side is arguing for - and it's not some evil plot to screw you in particular. It's to help a different group.

zepto 5y ago
> it's not some evil plot to screw you in particular It might not be an ‘evil plot’, but corporations routinely support wage suppressing measures.
Veen 5y ago
> Should these folks get screwed over so you can get your negotiated high pay? They’re not getting screwed over. They’re getting paid what they agreed to when they took the job, just like everyone else is.
- fnimick 5y ago
  And it's an unethical system where people who have leverage end up able to negotiate more pay for the same output than people who do not. I suspect that if you weren't in a privileged position, you'd be upset about the disparity too.
  - nightski 5y ago
    Leverage is skill and results. Skill and results do not come from "privilege", it is earned through years of hard work, practice and dedication.
    - cycomanic 5y ago
      Ah come on, we know that this is not true. For example we know that many CEOs come from very select few universities, have typically unique connections through families etc.. So not really hard work practice and dedication
      - Veen 5y ago
        They don’t last long if they can’t do the job though, even if they had an advantage in their climb to the top.
      - ravitation 5y ago
        I generally agree with what you're saying, but it's often more simple than that. The greatest leverage in a salary negotiation comes from the freedom to actually quit, a freedom, especially in the United States, that many do not have (and never "earn"). While, on the other hand, the privileged are born with this freedom.
        perl4ever 5y ago
        >The greatest leverage in a salary negotiation comes from the freedom to actually quit Leverage comes from alternatives to an agreement. The asymmetry in negotiations is that in most circumstances, employees or candidates tend to have zero (remaining unemployed) or one (remaining at a job) alternatives. People think they have more alternatives, but there's a huge difference between an alternative at an exact moment, and alternatives that are theoretical within days, weeks or months. Employers have alternatives, even if they aren't great, right now. So you're not on an equal footing whether you are interviewing or talking to your current employer. Not to mention, when you do have leverage, exploiting it to the hilt can poison or destroy a future relationship.
    - pnutjam 5y ago
      Leverage means having the life situation that allows you to walk away. That's something you can build, later in life; but having it from the start can build a huge advantage.
  - perl4ever 5y ago
    You don't know you're "privileged" until you get the data. You're commenting as though this person somehow has proof of what they apparently do not want to know.

zepto 5y ago

> it's not some evil plot to screw you in particular It might not be an ‘evil plot’, but corporations routinely support wage suppressing measures.

Veen 5y ago

> Should these folks get screwed over so you can get your negotiated high pay? They’re not getting screwed over. They’re getting paid what they agreed to when they took the job, just like everyone else is.

fnimick 5y ago
And it's an unethical system where people who have leverage end up able to negotiate more pay for the same output than people who do not. I suspect that if you weren't in a privileged position, you'd be upset about the disparity too.
- nightski 5y ago
  Leverage is skill and results. Skill and results do not come from "privilege", it is earned through years of hard work, practice and dedication.
  - cycomanic 5y ago
    Ah come on, we know that this is not true. For example we know that many CEOs come from very select few universities, have typically unique connections through families etc.. So not really hard work practice and dedication
    - Veen 5y ago
      They don’t last long if they can’t do the job though, even if they had an advantage in their climb to the top.
    - ravitation 5y ago
      I generally agree with what you're saying, but it's often more simple than that. The greatest leverage in a salary negotiation comes from the freedom to actually quit, a freedom, especially in the United States, that many do not have (and never "earn"). While, on the other hand, the privileged are born with this freedom.
      - perl4ever 5y ago
        >The greatest leverage in a salary negotiation comes from the freedom to actually quit Leverage comes from alternatives to an agreement. The asymmetry in negotiations is that in most circumstances, employees or candidates tend to have zero (remaining unemployed) or one (remaining at a job) alternatives. People think they have more alternatives, but there's a huge difference between an alternative at an exact moment, and alternatives that are theoretical within days, weeks or months. Employers have alternatives, even if they aren't great, right now. So you're not on an equal footing whether you are interviewing or talking to your current employer. Not to mention, when you do have leverage, exploiting it to the hilt can poison or destroy a future relationship.
  - pnutjam 5y ago
    Leverage means having the life situation that allows you to walk away. That's something you can build, later in life; but having it from the start can build a huge advantage.
- perl4ever 5y ago
  You don't know you're "privileged" until you get the data. You're commenting as though this person somehow has proof of what they apparently do not want to know.