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Studies are irrelevant at this point, when we have population level data of over a billion people across India and Africa, and the massive disparities between s

Studies are irrelevant at this point, when we have population level data of over a billion people across India and Africa, and the massive disparities between states/countries that utilized Ivermectin, and those that did not. The drug is safe enough to be used based on this data alone. https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout/article_e3db8f46-f942-11eb-9eea-77d5e2519364.html https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-iv... https://www.thedesertreview.com/news/national/indias-ivermectin-blackout-part-ii/article_a0b6c378-fc78-11eb-83c0-93166952f425.html https://www.thedesertreview.com/news/national/indias-ivermec... https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout---part-iii-the-lesson-of-kerala/article_ccecb97e-044e-11ec-9112-2b31ae87887a.html https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-iv... https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout---part-iv-keralas-vaccinated-surge/article_8a8c481c-09d3-11ec-a51c-fb063e1a3e3b.html https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-iv... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7968425/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7968425/ https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/06000/review_of_the_emerging_evidence_demonstrating_the.4.aspx https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/...

walterbell 5y ago
At this point, news articles should include a bar chart for health interventions, including a three year projection of vendor revenue, tax costs, quality-adjusted life years, societal collateral damage, and risks based on prior usage. When one option has billions of revenue at stake, investors will pay for more/focused studies vs an option to reuse low-cost generics. Unfortunately, or fortunately, desperate humans have skipped trials of both vaccines and early treatments, so there is data on both.
NotSammyHagar 5y ago
If you are fixated on conspiracy claims against your amazing scientific discovery - pretty much you are always wrong, that's true for perpetual motion machines, faster than light drives (that's the one I hope could be right), extra-ordinary life extensions for microbes applies to humans (wish that one could be right), and covid. If you use opinion columns from obscure news sources to prove you are right, almost always wrong too. Ivermectin is safe enough to take, the important question is does it do any good against covid. At best it doesn't hurt you and it's unclear, but probably does nothing. It's certain there is no international pharmaceutical conspiracy trying to block discussion of it. That's different than trying to avoid showing incorrect medical information to people during a worldwide medical emergency. The hospitals in my state are full of idiotic non-vaxed covid victims. The latest thing is a conspiracy that the hospital won't treat them with ivermectin because they want them to die. People are just killing themselves because of their bizarre and irrational resistance to safe, life-saving vaccinations and preference for random spoutings on the internet to research proven treatments. Do people challenge their math professors in college because they don't consult fox news for the truth? No. I don't have much hope for our future when we can't get these simple things right. It's like a new dark ages has come upon us. But the truth is we humans were always this foolish.
- itsdsmurrell 5y ago
  pauses to sip brawndo
- defaultprimate 5y ago
  If you don't know how citations and data work and are incapable of following them, even in an "opinion" piece, that's your problem. >Safe and effective... Every day that becomes more untrue in highly vaccinated populations like the UK and Israel, whose hospitals and morgues are full of vaccinated people. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-... https://www.gov.il/en/departments/guides/information-corona https://www.gov.il/en/departments/guides/information-corona There is substantial risk when it comes to mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic as well, especially with highly infectious and rapidly mutating viruses, coupled with vaccines that are extremely ineffective at preventing spread. https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/ https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/ Calling it "conspiracy claims" doesn't suddenly invalidate the overwhelming amount of empirical evidence.
  - NotSammyHagar 5y ago
    So will you refuse to go to the hospital if you get covid - because they aren't following the same sources of what is effective treatment that you do? If you break your leg or have a heart attack will you study up or go to alternative places for treatment? I suspect you would go to the hospital in those cases, because people are only convinced that in this one instance there's a giant lie or something.
    - defaultprimate 5y ago
      I won't need to go to the hospital because I have natural immunity from an infection that was so mild I'm not even sure when I had it. False equivalence. The treatment methods for heart attack and broken legs have a long history and wealth of data. I gladly take every other vaccine for the same reasons. They are not reliant on brand new techniques for which no long term testing or data exist against a threat that has repeatedly resisted vaccination with disastrous results historically. They are also not treatments propped up by singular hundred billion dollar companies who have a massive interest in their product being pushed as the only effective prophylactic. Companies that are set to make $30-50 billion, and also happen to be some of the largest lobbyists in the world. Would you accept Ivermectin as a treatment prescribed by your doctor in India or Japan?
UnFleshedOne 5y ago
It is possible that anti-parasitic action is what causes those disparities -- if parasites are widespread and cause complications with covid, then treating whole population with an anti-parasitic drug would improve outcomes. So India and Africa should absolutely keep using IVM. In high latitudes similar effect could possibly be had with treating everybody with vitamin D. Unfortunately the current zeitgeist is to send you home with nothing to wait till your lips turn blue.
- jxramos 5y ago
  is that right, if I see my Dr and test positive for covid I get sent home to rest up much like if I had came in with a cold? I think even with the cold they have some sort of medications like cough medicine etc, do they lend no home treatment instructions for those ill with covid?
  - brigandish 5y ago
    It almost certainly depends where you are.
r721 5y ago
>Overall, we rate The Desert Review Right-Center Biased and Questionable based on the frequent promotion of pseudoscience, conspiracy theories, and misinformation regarding covid-19. >Regarding Ivermectin, The Desert Review covers it extensively to the point where you would think this is an Ivermectin promotion source. Perhaps it is as nearly every article talks about the positive virtues of Ivermectin such as this Gaslighting Ivermectin, vaccines and the pandemic for profit and this The great Ivermectin deworming hoax. Many pro-Ivermectin opinion articles are written by Justus R. Hope, MD., who admits this name is a pseudonym underneath the articles he writes. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-desert-review-bias/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-desert-review-bias/
- defaultprimate 5y ago
  The only fact checks against the pieces were in May, and do not address the enduring data after the ivermectin rollouts. Do you have any criticisms of the actual data or just ad hominems of the source?

walterbell 5y ago

At this point, news articles should include a bar chart for health interventions, including a three year projection of vendor revenue, tax costs, quality-adjusted life years, societal collateral damage, and risks based on prior usage. When one option has billions of revenue at stake, investors will pay for more/focused studies vs an option to reuse low-cost generics. Unfortunately, or fortunately, desperate humans have skipped trials of both vaccines and early treatments, so there is data on both.

NotSammyHagar 5y ago

If you are fixated on conspiracy claims against your amazing scientific discovery - pretty much you are always wrong, that's true for perpetual motion machines, faster than light drives (that's the one I hope could be right), extra-ordinary life extensions for microbes applies to humans (wish that one could be right), and covid. If you use opinion columns from obscure news sources to prove you are right, almost always wrong too. Ivermectin is safe enough to take, the important question is does it do any good against covid. At best it doesn't hurt you and it's unclear, but probably does nothing. It's certain there is no international pharmaceutical conspiracy trying to block discussion of it. That's different than trying to avoid showing incorrect medical information to people during a worldwide medical emergency. The hospitals in my state are full of idiotic non-vaxed covid victims. The latest thing is a conspiracy that the hospital won't treat them with ivermectin because they want them to die. People are just killing themselves because of their bizarre and irrational resistance to safe, life-saving vaccinations and preference for random spoutings on the internet to research proven treatments. Do people challenge their math professors in college because they don't consult fox news for the truth? No. I don't have much hope for our future when we can't get these simple things right. It's like a new dark ages has come upon us. But the truth is we humans were always this foolish.

itsdsmurrell 5y ago
pauses to sip brawndo
defaultprimate 5y ago
If you don't know how citations and data work and are incapable of following them, even in an "opinion" piece, that's your problem. >Safe and effective... Every day that becomes more untrue in highly vaccinated populations like the UK and Israel, whose hospitals and morgues are full of vaccinated people. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-... https://www.gov.il/en/departments/guides/information-corona https://www.gov.il/en/departments/guides/information-corona There is substantial risk when it comes to mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic as well, especially with highly infectious and rapidly mutating viruses, coupled with vaccines that are extremely ineffective at preventing spread. https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/ https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/ Calling it "conspiracy claims" doesn't suddenly invalidate the overwhelming amount of empirical evidence.
- NotSammyHagar 5y ago
  So will you refuse to go to the hospital if you get covid - because they aren't following the same sources of what is effective treatment that you do? If you break your leg or have a heart attack will you study up or go to alternative places for treatment? I suspect you would go to the hospital in those cases, because people are only convinced that in this one instance there's a giant lie or something.
  - defaultprimate 5y ago
    I won't need to go to the hospital because I have natural immunity from an infection that was so mild I'm not even sure when I had it. False equivalence. The treatment methods for heart attack and broken legs have a long history and wealth of data. I gladly take every other vaccine for the same reasons. They are not reliant on brand new techniques for which no long term testing or data exist against a threat that has repeatedly resisted vaccination with disastrous results historically. They are also not treatments propped up by singular hundred billion dollar companies who have a massive interest in their product being pushed as the only effective prophylactic. Companies that are set to make $30-50 billion, and also happen to be some of the largest lobbyists in the world. Would you accept Ivermectin as a treatment prescribed by your doctor in India or Japan?

UnFleshedOne 5y ago

It is possible that anti-parasitic action is what causes those disparities -- if parasites are widespread and cause complications with covid, then treating whole population with an anti-parasitic drug would improve outcomes. So India and Africa should absolutely keep using IVM. In high latitudes similar effect could possibly be had with treating everybody with vitamin D. Unfortunately the current zeitgeist is to send you home with nothing to wait till your lips turn blue.

jxramos 5y ago
is that right, if I see my Dr and test positive for covid I get sent home to rest up much like if I had came in with a cold? I think even with the cold they have some sort of medications like cough medicine etc, do they lend no home treatment instructions for those ill with covid?
- brigandish 5y ago
  It almost certainly depends where you are.

r721 5y ago

>Overall, we rate The Desert Review Right-Center Biased and Questionable based on the frequent promotion of pseudoscience, conspiracy theories, and misinformation regarding covid-19. >Regarding Ivermectin, The Desert Review covers it extensively to the point where you would think this is an Ivermectin promotion source. Perhaps it is as nearly every article talks about the positive virtues of Ivermectin such as this Gaslighting Ivermectin, vaccines and the pandemic for profit and this The great Ivermectin deworming hoax. Many pro-Ivermectin opinion articles are written by Justus R. Hope, MD., who admits this name is a pseudonym underneath the articles he writes. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-desert-review-bias/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-desert-review-bias/

defaultprimate 5y ago
The only fact checks against the pieces were in May, and do not address the enduring data after the ivermectin rollouts. Do you have any criticisms of the actual data or just ad hominems of the source?