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I'm glad that you mentioned HCQ. What happened with HCQ? Was it smart that the US bought stockpiles of it, and was it smart for doctors to be prescribing it f

I'm glad that you mentioned HCQ. What happened with HCQ? Was it smart that the US bought stockpiles of it, and was it smart for doctors to be prescribing it for treatment of COVID, with a years hindsight?

twofornone 5y ago
I think one glaring problem is that two years into the pandemic we still don't know...and given the rigid taboo which has sprung up around HCQ and other treatments, frankly I don't really trust the data. Yes, the initial studies in support of HCQ were low quality, but the primary initial study which the media jumped on to "discredit" HCQ was laughably biased, completely disregarding the early stage/prophylactic dosing recommendations and essentially overdosed terminally ill patients. The whole thing has been a huge joke.
- anoonmoose 5y ago
  Well, with that attitude at least you can never be proven wrong, which must be nice and certainly isn't revealing about the logic of your position
  - ModernMech 5y ago
    I think your point is the one that surprisingly is going largely unstated here. This entire thread reads exactly the same as the HCQ threads a year+ ago, except now with a new drug. The same complaining about the media, the medical establishment, the same clinging on to weak initial trials which in the case of HCQ that turned out to be nonsense. Will ivermectin turn out the same way? Also it's interesting that the same political and pundit class now pushing ivermectin first pushed hydroxychloroquine. The same people on the same TV and radio shows. I've got to wonder, if HCQ was the miracle drug they claimed it to be, why aren't they still pushing it? It seems to me they just sort of... stopped talking about it one day. Did it not pan out as they said it would? If not, why are we to trust them this time with this new drug? How long until ivermectin joins HCQ as yesterdays drug-du-jour to fight Covid?
gilbetron 5y ago
Multiple studies show it doesn't do anything, and we're pretty sure we know why: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2779044 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...

twofornone 5y ago

I think one glaring problem is that two years into the pandemic we still don't know...and given the rigid taboo which has sprung up around HCQ and other treatments, frankly I don't really trust the data. Yes, the initial studies in support of HCQ were low quality, but the primary initial study which the media jumped on to "discredit" HCQ was laughably biased, completely disregarding the early stage/prophylactic dosing recommendations and essentially overdosed terminally ill patients. The whole thing has been a huge joke.

anoonmoose 5y ago
Well, with that attitude at least you can never be proven wrong, which must be nice and certainly isn't revealing about the logic of your position
- ModernMech 5y ago
  I think your point is the one that surprisingly is going largely unstated here. This entire thread reads exactly the same as the HCQ threads a year+ ago, except now with a new drug. The same complaining about the media, the medical establishment, the same clinging on to weak initial trials which in the case of HCQ that turned out to be nonsense. Will ivermectin turn out the same way? Also it's interesting that the same political and pundit class now pushing ivermectin first pushed hydroxychloroquine. The same people on the same TV and radio shows. I've got to wonder, if HCQ was the miracle drug they claimed it to be, why aren't they still pushing it? It seems to me they just sort of... stopped talking about it one day. Did it not pan out as they said it would? If not, why are we to trust them this time with this new drug? How long until ivermectin joins HCQ as yesterdays drug-du-jour to fight Covid?

gilbetron 5y ago

Multiple studies show it doesn't do anything, and we're pretty sure we know why: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2779044 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...