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The point is he wasn't when he worked with Jobs. Carmack is exceptional, not just 10x, but how many above average people work with a Steve Jobs and can't prove

The point is he wasn't when he worked with Jobs. Carmack is exceptional, not just 10x, but how many above average people work with a Steve Jobs and can't prove it and do not even realize it? Carmack is not an actual good benchmark here, but even as good as he is, he met his kryptonite Don't assume that great workers will perform great in every condition, because that's not a realistic assumption and only puts pressure on younger people for no reason. We must not support the idea that if you're not Carmack you can't be worth (at doing your job. *only *) more than the others or the company's average.

Jensson 5y ago
"worked with Jobs" What are you talking about, John Carmack never worked directly with Steve Jobs? He had his own company and he sometimes had to talk with Apple as a platform vendor, but they never worked together on a title. He didn't like Jobs as a person but that is another story.
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago
  Carmack literally talks about working WITH Jobs, but random HN user says he didn't. OK!
  - Jensson 5y ago
    John Carmack ran a video game company. Steve Jobs ran a platform, the Apple. Therefore John Carmack sometimes talked to Steve Jobs about things he needed from the Apple platform. John Carmack had a very negative experience in those interactions, yes. But John Carmack never worked with Steve Jobs on any project. Steve Jobs was never the boss of John Carmack. If you disagree please link an article where it says that they did work together on anything and that during that project John Carmack's performance was significantly reduced. I haven't found such an article, and it would be strange since they never worked at the same company. That he did a few keynotes at Apple isn't really working together. And him refusing to take a keynote that would force him to reschedule his wedding is just him being healthy and Steve Jobs being an ass, I'd say that is evidence that Steve Jobs didn't really have any power over him.
    - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
      > If you disagree please link an article where it says that they did work together It would have sufficed to read the Carmack post. Seriously, random internet guy, he literally *said it himself* > When NeXT managed to sort of reverse-acquire Apple and Steve was back in charge, I was excited by the possibilities of a resurgent Apple with the virtues of NeXT in a mainstream platform. *I was brought in* to talk about the needs of games in general, but I made it my mission to get Apple to adopt OpenGL as their 3D graphics API. I had a lot of arguments with Steve. > I wound up doing *several keynotes with Steve* (see the word WITH?), and it was always a crazy fire drill with not enough time to do things right, and generally requiring heroic effort from many people to make it happen at all. I tend to think this was also a calculated part of his method. -- John Carmack I've specifically said WITH not FOR. Please random guy, read before speaking.

Jensson 5y ago

"worked with Jobs" What are you talking about, John Carmack never worked directly with Steve Jobs? He had his own company and he sometimes had to talk with Apple as a platform vendor, but they never worked together on a title. He didn't like Jobs as a person but that is another story.

peoplefromibiza 5y ago
Carmack literally talks about working WITH Jobs, but random HN user says he didn't. OK!
- Jensson 5y ago
  John Carmack ran a video game company. Steve Jobs ran a platform, the Apple. Therefore John Carmack sometimes talked to Steve Jobs about things he needed from the Apple platform. John Carmack had a very negative experience in those interactions, yes. But John Carmack never worked with Steve Jobs on any project. Steve Jobs was never the boss of John Carmack. If you disagree please link an article where it says that they did work together on anything and that during that project John Carmack's performance was significantly reduced. I haven't found such an article, and it would be strange since they never worked at the same company. That he did a few keynotes at Apple isn't really working together. And him refusing to take a keynote that would force him to reschedule his wedding is just him being healthy and Steve Jobs being an ass, I'd say that is evidence that Steve Jobs didn't really have any power over him.
  - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
    > If you disagree please link an article where it says that they did work together It would have sufficed to read the Carmack post. Seriously, random internet guy, he literally *said it himself* > When NeXT managed to sort of reverse-acquire Apple and Steve was back in charge, I was excited by the possibilities of a resurgent Apple with the virtues of NeXT in a mainstream platform. *I was brought in* to talk about the needs of games in general, but I made it my mission to get Apple to adopt OpenGL as their 3D graphics API. I had a lot of arguments with Steve. > I wound up doing *several keynotes with Steve* (see the word WITH?), and it was always a crazy fire drill with not enough time to do things right, and generally requiring heroic effort from many people to make it happen at all. I tend to think this was also a calculated part of his method. -- John Carmack I've specifically said WITH not FOR. Please random guy, read before speaking.