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> I wonder why is anybody still surprised. This is the kind of claim that's deep in conspiracy theory territory until the smoking gun is uncovered, and once th

• lmilcin 5y ago
  No, it is not and has not been surprising for decades. In China there are no private companies. There are only companies that Chinese government lets you run as long as you cooperate with the government.
  • vnchr 5y ago
    Even Jack Ma was put through the wringer after questioning the CCP publicly.
  • rualca 5y ago
    > No, it is not and has not been surprising for decades. I still recall the Supermicro backdoor chip story, and how once the Bloomberg news broke it was immediately so obvious and so clear that backdoor spy chips were undoubtedly being injected. But a few years have blown by and the story is now a renowned hoax. https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/12/supermicro_bloomberg_spying/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/12/supermicro_bloomberg_... So tell me, is this sort of story also unsurprising for decades?
    • lmilcin 5y ago
      So... this would be like saying "We have a murderer, we have ample evidence for it on tape and multiple witnesses. But there is also this one person that lied about being witness so then it must mean that the suspect is innocent."
      • rualca 5y ago
        > We have a murderer, we have (...) It sounds you lost track of the discussion. If you browse back through the thread you'll notice that the whole point is that without evidence this sort of accusation lies deep inside conspiracy theory territory, among all nutty baseless conspiracies. The key difference in this case is that, unlike all other conspiracy theories, there is indeed evidence that provide substance to accusations. Stating that an accusation is obvious is not evidence nor enough on itself. As I pointed out, the accusations in the Supermicro case we're also immediately obvious. Too bad they were not grounded on reality and after all these years there is no evidence to support them. But they were obvious, right?