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Outside of the US is prescribed quite often. It is in the Mexican Health System Protocol ([1] page 6) and has been widely researched [2] in there. Also, in Me

Outside of the US is prescribed quite often. It is in the Mexican Health System Protocol ([1] page 6) and has been widely researched [2] in there. Also, in Mexico Ivermectin was widely available (without prescription) before Covid19. It is commonly used in children against lice, and also in the general population as a dewormer once a year (in Mexico, people are used to take these type of medications once a year). I understand the hesitation Americans have against it, given its lack of availability (I would never consume a medicine made for animals) but from my outside perspective, the issue has been politicized so much that both "left" and "right" Americans get blinded by their views and are not open to even talk about it (it's either, you eat dewormer antivaxxer! or muh freedom!). I got my two vaccines as soon as I could (I had covid in march 2020 and had a terrible time, and I am totally pro vaccines, shit in Mexico we get a heck of a lot of vaccines haha) but given the safety profile of Ivermectin, I am 100% in favour of people taking it if they get COVID19. [1] http://educacionensalud.imss.gob.mx/es/system/files/Algoritmos_interinos_COVID19_CTEC.pdf http://educacionensalud.imss.gob.mx/es/system/files/Algoritm... [2] https://covid19.cdmx.gob.mx/storage/app/media/Articulos/revision-de-ivermectina-corregida13ene20.pdf https://covid19.cdmx.gob.mx/storage/app/media/Articulos/revi...

shadowgovt 5y ago
My mistake; my comment was extremely US-centric. In the US, there isn't a taboo against taking it because it's generally animal-prescribed; it's used as a human anti-parasitic here too. The issue is that people are self-medicating with veterinary-supply doses because it isn't prescribed for COVID-19 (as it's not indicated for treating it).
h2odragon 5y ago
> (I would never consume a medicine made for animals) Why not? I either pay $150+ all up for a doctor visit, prescription, etc for antibiotics, or $20 for a bottle of "fish antibiotics" at the feed store. Either way I get amoxicillin; but from the feed store I get 3x the amount and in smaller capsules which makes adjusting dose easier. We stock the "horse paste" ivermectin for our half dozen hounds, I've been known to have a lick of it myself when ive been out barefoot in the mud, just in case. we have whipworm out here and they're not likely to take in humans but when they do its nasty.
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  Fish antibiotics might be fine, but since they aren't regulated for human consumption it's more of a gamble. Plenty of chemicals that don't hurt fish that the manufacturer therefore won't be testing for that can be harmful to a human. But more importantly in the case of antibiotics: how do you know amoxicillin is the right one for what ails you? There are multiple antibiotics for multiple bacteria, and applying the wrong one can throw your microbiome out of whack with no treatment to the disease itself. Health care in the US is broken for several reasons, but "Doctors see a patient before prescribing the right medicine" isn't one of them. DIY medicine has dangers, and the FDA regulations are paid for in blood. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/here-are-reasons-you-shouldnt-take-fish-antibiotics-180964523/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/here-are-reaso...
  - h2odragon 5y ago
    > how do you know amoxicillin is the right one for what ails you? In our case, that's what the doctor prescribes for my wife's chronic sinus infections whenever she asks one about them, and I've been stocking it as a goto first antibiotic for veterinary use since i started caring for my animals 30yr ago. In anyone else's case, there's no great barrier to educating yourself about what you put in your body and why, and taking responsibility for your own health. Doctors are consultants, not priests.
    - shadowgovt 5y ago
      Your circumstance is one of the flaws in the US system. Having been given a solid diagnosis once for that initial $150 charge, instead of relatively-inexpensive maintenance of health that could be done without doctor intervention, we require doctors to re-see and re-prescribe when a patient has a chronic condition. There is some wisdom in that (while "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebra" is a good maxim, sometimes it's horses and zebra), but IMHO once you're diagnosed with something chronic and treatable, minimize the red-tape to keep it treated.
      - 5y ago

shadowgovt 5y ago

My mistake; my comment was extremely US-centric. In the US, there isn't a taboo against taking it because it's generally animal-prescribed; it's used as a human anti-parasitic here too. The issue is that people are self-medicating with veterinary-supply doses because it isn't prescribed for COVID-19 (as it's not indicated for treating it).

h2odragon 5y ago

> (I would never consume a medicine made for animals) Why not? I either pay $150+ all up for a doctor visit, prescription, etc for antibiotics, or $20 for a bottle of "fish antibiotics" at the feed store. Either way I get amoxicillin; but from the feed store I get 3x the amount and in smaller capsules which makes adjusting dose easier. We stock the "horse paste" ivermectin for our half dozen hounds, I've been known to have a lick of it myself when ive been out barefoot in the mud, just in case. we have whipworm out here and they're not likely to take in humans but when they do its nasty.

shadowgovt 5y ago
Fish antibiotics might be fine, but since they aren't regulated for human consumption it's more of a gamble. Plenty of chemicals that don't hurt fish that the manufacturer therefore won't be testing for that can be harmful to a human. But more importantly in the case of antibiotics: how do you know amoxicillin is the right one for what ails you? There are multiple antibiotics for multiple bacteria, and applying the wrong one can throw your microbiome out of whack with no treatment to the disease itself. Health care in the US is broken for several reasons, but "Doctors see a patient before prescribing the right medicine" isn't one of them. DIY medicine has dangers, and the FDA regulations are paid for in blood. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/here-are-reasons-you-shouldnt-take-fish-antibiotics-180964523/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/here-are-reaso...
- h2odragon 5y ago
  > how do you know amoxicillin is the right one for what ails you? In our case, that's what the doctor prescribes for my wife's chronic sinus infections whenever she asks one about them, and I've been stocking it as a goto first antibiotic for veterinary use since i started caring for my animals 30yr ago. In anyone else's case, there's no great barrier to educating yourself about what you put in your body and why, and taking responsibility for your own health. Doctors are consultants, not priests.
  - shadowgovt 5y ago
    Your circumstance is one of the flaws in the US system. Having been given a solid diagnosis once for that initial $150 charge, instead of relatively-inexpensive maintenance of health that could be done without doctor intervention, we require doctors to re-see and re-prescribe when a patient has a chronic condition. There is some wisdom in that (while "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebra" is a good maxim, sometimes it's horses and zebra), but IMHO once you're diagnosed with something chronic and treatable, minimize the red-tape to keep it treated.
    - 5y ago