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In fairness, I see no reason why anyone should be blocked from buying any drug they want, whether it be ivermectin or heroin. The consequence of this restrictio

by buu700 5y ago

In fairness, I see no reason why anyone should be blocked from buying any drug they want, whether it be ivermectin or heroin. The consequence of this restriction is that a subset of the prospective customers will settle for a potentially (more) dangerous alternative source, whether that be horse formulations or black market heroin cut with fentanyl. It's also a valid point that unproven and disproven aren't equivalent. While I don't think anyone should take medical advice from political sources or for political reasons (therefore, as far as I'm aware, the well studied vaccines should be preferred to ivermectin by the vast majority of people at this time), I do think that it should be anyone's right to have full bodily autonomy and make whatever choices they want. Mainstream consensus is wrong often enough, e.g. the disastrous food pyramid that contributed to today's obesity epidemic. I agree with the thrust of your point that the idea that there's some kind of widespread anti-Republican medical discrimination or corruption going on is silly. Just pointing out that how things currently are is not how they ought to be, and that this situation is arguably just a subset of the widely reviled War on Drugs.

rory 5y ago
(As the GP) I really appreciate and generally agree with your perspective, but: > the idea that there's some kind of widespread anti-Republican medical discrimination or corruption going on is a total mischaracterization of what I was saying. In fact, it's essentially pulled from thin air. The corruption of the news media is in their choice to mock and literally laugh at people sick from veterinary iver because kicking the out-group is popular with their audience (read $$). They do this instead of explaining (in a meaningful way) how we got here, and what steps we can take to make the situation better.
- buu700 5y ago
  is a total mischaracterization of what I was saying. In fact, it's essentially pulled from thin air. You did refer to "marginalization" of (Republicans') access to medicine. It was unclear whether you were only referring to the effect of well established federal drug policy and standards of the medical industry or a more specific/deliberate marginalization effort. The corruption of the news media is in their choice to mock and literally laugh [...] Ah, well I'm not aware of that, but that may be because I typically rely more on text-based media than video.
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  > The corruption of the news media is in their choice to mock and literally laugh at people sick from veterinary iver because kicking the out-group is popular with their audience (read $$). They do this instead of explaining (in a meaningful way) how we got here, and what steps we can take to make the situation better. The idea that this is somehow the media’s fault for not being sufficiently patient and understanding with the ivermectin crowd is actually quite pathetic. Stop infantilizing these people; they are adults with their own agency. Their bad decisions are not the fault of the media[0]. 0 - Especially since this crowd was shouting “fake news” for years. How exactly is the media going to convince a bunch of people who are convinced that they’re liars?
  - titzer 5y ago
    It's just more blame game. Who you blame is who you hate. Racists blame black people for being poor, anti-abortion activists blame women for being "promiscuous", coastals blame red staters for being stupid backwoods yokels, red staters blame ivy tower socialists or immigrants, liberals blame rich people, socialists blame corporations, conservatives blame government, Islamic terrorists blame the great Satan, on and on. Hate = blame Love = forgiveness Listen and see whom people blame and that's who they hate. See who they apologize for and that's who they love. Been that way since forever.
    - dhimes 5y ago
      ...And: What you hate tends to be what you don't understand. Also since forever.

by buu700 5y ago

rory 5y ago

(As the GP) I really appreciate and generally agree with your perspective, but: > the idea that there's some kind of widespread anti-Republican medical discrimination or corruption going on is a total mischaracterization of what I was saying. In fact, it's essentially pulled from thin air. The corruption of the news media is in their choice to mock and literally laugh at people sick from veterinary iver because kicking the out-group is popular with their audience (read $$). They do this instead of explaining (in a meaningful way) how we got here, and what steps we can take to make the situation better.

buu700 5y ago
is a total mischaracterization of what I was saying. In fact, it's essentially pulled from thin air. You did refer to "marginalization" of (Republicans') access to medicine. It was unclear whether you were only referring to the effect of well established federal drug policy and standards of the medical industry or a more specific/deliberate marginalization effort. The corruption of the news media is in their choice to mock and literally laugh [...] Ah, well I'm not aware of that, but that may be because I typically rely more on text-based media than video.
ashtonkem 5y ago
> The corruption of the news media is in their choice to mock and literally laugh at people sick from veterinary iver because kicking the out-group is popular with their audience (read $$). They do this instead of explaining (in a meaningful way) how we got here, and what steps we can take to make the situation better. The idea that this is somehow the media’s fault for not being sufficiently patient and understanding with the ivermectin crowd is actually quite pathetic. Stop infantilizing these people; they are adults with their own agency. Their bad decisions are not the fault of the media[0]. 0 - Especially since this crowd was shouting “fake news” for years. How exactly is the media going to convince a bunch of people who are convinced that they’re liars?
- titzer 5y ago
  It's just more blame game. Who you blame is who you hate. Racists blame black people for being poor, anti-abortion activists blame women for being "promiscuous", coastals blame red staters for being stupid backwoods yokels, red staters blame ivy tower socialists or immigrants, liberals blame rich people, socialists blame corporations, conservatives blame government, Islamic terrorists blame the great Satan, on and on. Hate = blame Love = forgiveness Listen and see whom people blame and that's who they hate. See who they apologize for and that's who they love. Been that way since forever.
  - dhimes 5y ago
    ...And: What you hate tends to be what you don't understand. Also since forever.