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Hidden for some reason deapite 10 submissions/upvotes in 51 minutes. I've sent a mail and asked mods nicely if they can override the flags on this one.

noxer 5y ago
NH doesn't like Greenwald. I only posted this because HN also does not like BigTech so it at least had a chance to get seen by some people who are interested.
- b9be520d93286 5y ago
  The cognitive dissonance is staggering
- dang 5y ago
  The community is divided on that, as it is on every other divisive topic. You can't expect HN to differ significantly from the population at large—the community is too large for that.
- galaxyLogic 5y ago
  Greenwald may be right but he seems rather angry in this article, which diminishes his credibility a bit. He sounds angry at the media who doesn't agree with him, so they must be in cahoots with CIA and the big tech. Does that sound a bit like a "conspiracy theory"? It sounds that way to me, of course he may be right. And curiously it seems he laments the fact that this information was not covered more widely before the election, which could have helped Trump win so it seems he laments the fact that Trump didn't win, because he is angry at Biden and the mainstream media. Every act of opinion writing is political, what you write about and what you don't write about. Do you criticize Biden or do you criticize Putin? Either way you (try to) move the public needle to one direction or other. OK, so I read an interview of Greenwald at https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/now-we-re-talking/en/glenn-greenwald/ https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/now-we-re-talking/en/gle... and, now I think I know where he goes wrong, at least in my view. He seems to blame "USA" a lot for its past misbehaviors. What's wrong with this view, in my view, is that there is no single "USA". There is the US government. But the current government is totally different from the government of last 4 years. There are two political parties one of which doesn't seem to like democracy much at all. Doesn't seem to care about people dying of Covid because of vaccine misinformation. Whereas in the case of Russia there really is singular entity "Russia" meaning its current government because that government seems to be in power permanently. That is not the case with USA. US government this year is totally different from last year. Why? Because there are two political parties. Greenwald doesn't seem to see this difference, he thinks (or wants us to think) that Russia and USA are a pair of evil twins.
dang 5y ago
Users flagged it. I've turned that off now. If there's significant new information here, we can roll back the clock on the submission—we'd need a more neutral title and I don't see any easy candidate. Both the main title and the subtitle are certain to produce an instant flamewar. What is the significant new information?
- zozbot234 5y ago
  It's a bit buried but there's significant information about Greenwald's own interaction with The Intercept re: the Biden laptop story. Given Greenwald's history with that outlet, this seems worthwhile enough.
  - dang 5y ago
    I doubt that that's significant or interesting enough to support a substantial discussion. I haven't read the article yet though.
    - skinkestek 5y ago
      If everyone knows it and it has been discussed extensively by everyone except me I'm just slow. If this is news to everyone like me that CIA and Facebook and the fact checkers got caught lying then it is a big story and it probably should affect how fact checkers work and how much we trust them.
- skinkestek 5y ago
  > What is the significant new information? For me who doesn't follow it to closely the fact that significant more proofs - including from officials in Sweden - have been coming out since the case was dismissed as cased closed by fact checkers was the big one. For someone who follows it closely this is yesteryears news. For me this was the first time I read that. (edit: it -> that) Edit: as for the title if we don't have to honor the original in this case, could something like "Summary of developments in the Hunter Biden case previously dismissed as false news" work?
- h2odragon 5y ago

noxer 5y ago

NH doesn't like Greenwald. I only posted this because HN also does not like BigTech so it at least had a chance to get seen by some people who are interested.

b9be520d93286 5y ago
The cognitive dissonance is staggering
dang 5y ago
The community is divided on that, as it is on every other divisive topic. You can't expect HN to differ significantly from the population at large—the community is too large for that.
galaxyLogic 5y ago
Greenwald may be right but he seems rather angry in this article, which diminishes his credibility a bit. He sounds angry at the media who doesn't agree with him, so they must be in cahoots with CIA and the big tech. Does that sound a bit like a "conspiracy theory"? It sounds that way to me, of course he may be right. And curiously it seems he laments the fact that this information was not covered more widely before the election, which could have helped Trump win so it seems he laments the fact that Trump didn't win, because he is angry at Biden and the mainstream media. Every act of opinion writing is political, what you write about and what you don't write about. Do you criticize Biden or do you criticize Putin? Either way you (try to) move the public needle to one direction or other. OK, so I read an interview of Greenwald at https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/now-we-re-talking/en/glenn-greenwald/ https://highline.huffingtonpost.com/now-we-re-talking/en/gle... and, now I think I know where he goes wrong, at least in my view. He seems to blame "USA" a lot for its past misbehaviors. What's wrong with this view, in my view, is that there is no single "USA". There is the US government. But the current government is totally different from the government of last 4 years. There are two political parties one of which doesn't seem to like democracy much at all. Doesn't seem to care about people dying of Covid because of vaccine misinformation. Whereas in the case of Russia there really is singular entity "Russia" meaning its current government because that government seems to be in power permanently. That is not the case with USA. US government this year is totally different from last year. Why? Because there are two political parties. Greenwald doesn't seem to see this difference, he thinks (or wants us to think) that Russia and USA are a pair of evil twins.

dang 5y ago

Users flagged it. I've turned that off now. If there's significant new information here, we can roll back the clock on the submission—we'd need a more neutral title and I don't see any easy candidate. Both the main title and the subtitle are certain to produce an instant flamewar. What is the significant new information?

zozbot234 5y ago
It's a bit buried but there's significant information about Greenwald's own interaction with The Intercept re: the Biden laptop story. Given Greenwald's history with that outlet, this seems worthwhile enough.
- dang 5y ago
  I doubt that that's significant or interesting enough to support a substantial discussion. I haven't read the article yet though.
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    If everyone knows it and it has been discussed extensively by everyone except me I'm just slow. If this is news to everyone like me that CIA and Facebook and the fact checkers got caught lying then it is a big story and it probably should affect how fact checkers work and how much we trust them.
skinkestek 5y ago
> What is the significant new information? For me who doesn't follow it to closely the fact that significant more proofs - including from officials in Sweden - have been coming out since the case was dismissed as cased closed by fact checkers was the big one. For someone who follows it closely this is yesteryears news. For me this was the first time I read that. (edit: it -> that) Edit: as for the title if we don't have to honor the original in this case, could something like "Summary of developments in the Hunter Biden case previously dismissed as false news" work?
h2odragon 5y ago