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True confidence in ones beliefs derives from a willingness to expose those beliefs to challenge. When no one is willing to expose their beliefs to challenge (an
by ouid 5y ago
True confidence in ones beliefs derives from a willingness to expose those beliefs to challenge. When no one is willing to expose their beliefs to challenge (and this is manifestly true for any belief which is presented in podcast form), then it is necessasrily the case the the confidence in those beliefs is false. The problem is that basically all beliefs that people consume are consumed from bad faith persuasive essays with single authors.
In the regime of persuasive essays, the winners are decided much more capriciously. Why do people follow Joe Rogan? I can only speculate, but I believe that the following effects contribute significantly:
1) Joe expresses challenges to mainstream beliefs that are commonly wondered, but infrequently asked. These challenges have high heuristic weight. However infrequently these beliefs are asked, they are answered less frequently. There are lots of questions that people are afraid to ask which have sophisticated answers. Furthermore, and I can't stress this enough, some of these beliefs are wrong, and the reason that challenges are socially unacceptable is because of how much we want the belief to be true.
2) Joe has a mock adversarial style. Interviews feel like arguments, but are actually more analogous to a con-artists relationship with a shill. Unfortunately for humanity, we are very bad at recognizing the difference between an interview and an argument. Even in the rare event that Rogan challenges his interviewee in good faith, the creative mind behind the challenge is still merely one man, and that man is Joe Rogan, to boot. Not the most seasoned skeptic to have walked the earth by a long shot. The man claims to believe in Ivermectin as a treatment for Covid...
3) Joe is anti-establishment. I don't think this is a bad thing, I happen to be fairly anti-establishment. But anti-establishment beliefs do not have the kind of readily accessible counterexamples that establishment beliefs have. I can't point to the cities of tents for the homeless as an argument against basic income like I can for <current policy>. If you make an obscure anti-establishment claim, there is not likely to be a wealth of available counterarguments for the people listening to draw on.
4) The author's point. Joe at least claims to subscribe to a different regime. Where free thought and argument prevail over censorship and restricted platforms. I think that, like most people privileged with large, restrictive platforms, Joe probably wouldn't believe this is he knew that it meant opening his podcast to in-line commentary, but I think he believes he believe it, and that he claims to believe it is probably enough for most people.
- runawaybottle 5y agoI don’t want to undermine anyone’s analysis but part of Rogan’s success was novelty. Take the first time we ever saw Ron Paul on a debate stage. You ever heard someone just outright call our middle eastern wars stupid back then? Now days everyone does it. Over time we got over Ron Paul because we realized he’s a little nutty with the Libertarianism, but kudos for standing out when it was unique to stand out. So let’s take Joe Rogan now. He brings up the Wuhan Lab theory a lot, but a lot of people do now. Sadly for Rogan, the rest of the high school (broader media/society) figured out ‘you wear and listen to the same stuff the cool kids wear and listen to’. Rogan is still attempting to be the cool kid and selling it off like ‘that’s who I am, truly’. But everyone else in high school (the metaphorical immature world) is also walking around saying ‘yeah me too, that’s who I truly am’. Rogan’s novelty factor is waning due to copy cat culture, and we all notice it. We notice it so much, we are kind of tired of the fad and everyone included - even Rogan. In other words, we’re kind of bored of it all now. Rogan doesn’t even have to be the base case. Examine Marc Maron’s rise and fall in relevance. For me personally, I’d only be interested in listening to a 90 year old grandmother take on the topics of today as best as she can. That would be novelty at this point. But the guy that does MMA and watches the same movies you do, supports gun rights, but votes for Sanders, it’s just like … yeah, we get it. Not that interesting anymore. Not sure whose fault that is honestly, but let’s not over analyze that the cool kids in high school, who were once the paragons of interesting, were actual just kind of boring to begin with. Rogan is compelling on like 2-3 topics max, and that’s okay. He is not a good interviewer of the likes of Charlie Rose, and while a subject matter expert on MMA, he is not compelling or insightful as a Quentin Tarantino interviewing anyone in movies. In fact, he is not even compelling interviewing other comedians, which often devolves into comedians jerking themselves off at how naturally born funny they are. Zero insights.
- ouid 5y agoIf Ron Paul was the first person you heard call the middle eastern wars stupid then I don't know if I can agree with anything you say after that. It wasn't novelty, it was anti-establishment.
- burning_hamster 5y ago