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There's a difference between framing an argument to make it more appealing to people with different values than yourself and lying about what your motives are.
by colpabar 5y ago
There's a difference between framing an argument to make it more appealing to people with different values than yourself and lying about what your motives are. For example, if I wanted to pass legislation that would require backdoors in all E2EE communication systems, and I sold my idea by telling everyone that my legislation would prevent terrorism, wouldn't we all agree that's dishonest?
- nindalf 5y agoDepends. Will it actually reduce terrorism? And have no other negative side effects on society? Then sure, frame it that way. No sane person on this thread disputes that what they said is true - marijuana laws have hurt communities of colour disproportionately. Further, framing it in these terms makes it more likely that change will actually happen and those communities will benefit. But some folks have decided that no one working at Amazon cares about that. Suppose Amazon actually framed it like some people here want them to. “We want to make the lives of our employees and prospective employees easier.” Who would that help exactly? Would it make it more likely that this necessary legislation would pass? No, it wouldn’t. The only thing it would change is that some people here would be less annoyed. But there was no reason to be annoyed in the first place! It’s getting angry by reflex because you don’t like Amazon for other reasons.