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Wait, why is this like cruise ships? I thought people on cruise ships were paid alright (considering also the tips they can make) compared to the alternatives t

Wait, why is this like cruise ships? I thought people on cruise ships were paid alright (considering also the tips they can make) compared to the alternatives they have at home (my understanding is that the vast majority of workers are non-American/W. EU)

bjarneh 5y ago
> Wait, why is this like cruise ships? I It's a "luxurious experience" fueled by slave labor.
me_me_me 5y ago
You tip dishwasher or floor cleaners? Cruise ships are set up to exploit every loophole out the being a legal entity on international waters under flag of loophole county. Everyone would be better of if that industry died already. Including environment.
- atlasunshrugged 5y ago
  No, but I assumed there was some sort of tip sharing deal between them; isn't this common in restaurants too (e.g. I tip the server because that's who I'm interacting with and it'd be weird if I walked through the kitchen giving individual small tips to the line cooks, busboys, etc.)
  - me_me_me 5y ago
    > I assumed there was some sort of tip sharing deal between them Oh sweet summer child... Some people are nice... and some people dont get their fair share especially when they are replaceable.
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  - mnw21cam 5y ago
    One thing I learnt from a Gordon Ramsey TV programme is that the chef traditionally doesn't get any of the tips, because they are expected to be paid properly anyway.
maeln 5y ago
I don't know for the staff in the restaurant and entertainment position, but usually, the sailors are recruited from very poor country and paid very low wages. Only the captain and some officer are paid a decent salary.
- atlasunshrugged 5y ago
  To me unpaid and low paid are dramatically different. When you talk slave labor as OP did I think of people being exploited or coerced into jobs and not ever being paid, not that people from low income countries do a job that is low paid but probably better than what they get at home.
TrackerFF 5y ago
Not sure what people on cruise ships get paid, but my old room mate from college got his Master's degree in nautical/maritime engineering, and went to work on huge cargo ship (the course of becoming a captain). Apparently the pay was almost unlivable, for the first 2-3 of years - under minimum wage, by western standards. And 90% of the crew were from Philippines etc. Should be mentioned that my friend was not a deckhand, but worked with the officers on the bridge. Where I'm from (Norway), and probably most seafaring nations in the west, this has been an issue for years - social dumping by using Asian labor.
dazc 5y ago
The public-facing people maybe paid OK, the people you don't see are certainly not.

bjarneh 5y ago

> Wait, why is this like cruise ships? I It's a "luxurious experience" fueled by slave labor.

me_me_me 5y ago

You tip dishwasher or floor cleaners? Cruise ships are set up to exploit every loophole out the being a legal entity on international waters under flag of loophole county. Everyone would be better of if that industry died already. Including environment.

atlasunshrugged 5y ago
No, but I assumed there was some sort of tip sharing deal between them; isn't this common in restaurants too (e.g. I tip the server because that's who I'm interacting with and it'd be weird if I walked through the kitchen giving individual small tips to the line cooks, busboys, etc.)
- me_me_me 5y ago
  > I assumed there was some sort of tip sharing deal between them Oh sweet summer child... Some people are nice... and some people dont get their fair share especially when they are replaceable.
- deleted 5y ago
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- mnw21cam 5y ago
  One thing I learnt from a Gordon Ramsey TV programme is that the chef traditionally doesn't get any of the tips, because they are expected to be paid properly anyway.

maeln 5y ago

I don't know for the staff in the restaurant and entertainment position, but usually, the sailors are recruited from very poor country and paid very low wages. Only the captain and some officer are paid a decent salary.

atlasunshrugged 5y ago
To me unpaid and low paid are dramatically different. When you talk slave labor as OP did I think of people being exploited or coerced into jobs and not ever being paid, not that people from low income countries do a job that is low paid but probably better than what they get at home.

TrackerFF 5y ago

Not sure what people on cruise ships get paid, but my old room mate from college got his Master's degree in nautical/maritime engineering, and went to work on huge cargo ship (the course of becoming a captain). Apparently the pay was almost unlivable, for the first 2-3 of years - under minimum wage, by western standards. And 90% of the crew were from Philippines etc. Should be mentioned that my friend was not a deckhand, but worked with the officers on the bridge. Where I'm from (Norway), and probably most seafaring nations in the west, this has been an issue for years - social dumping by using Asian labor.

dazc 5y ago

The public-facing people maybe paid OK, the people you don't see are certainly not.