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This is why resumes with recent FB history should be thrown in the trash.

by gorwell 5y ago

coolspot 5y ago
By the same logic, should people with criminal history also not be considered for any jobs?
- fortuna86 5y ago
  People with with criminal histories show remorse.
  - fortuna86 5y ago
    Everyone I know that has taken a big bag of money from FB is still in denial about what they've done to the world.
- shkkmo 5y ago
  People with criminal histories have paid their debt to society and absolutely should be givem jobs. People with a history of unethical behavior for which they are unapologetic and never faced other consequences should face additional scrutiny.
ramphastidae 5y ago
I understand the sentiment but don’t think that’s fair. Not everyone gets to choose from their pick of job offers, and some people have serious financial commitments and dependents. If FB is the only job offer you have that pays the bills, is it really wrong to take it?
- LurkingPenguin 5y ago
  > If FB is the only job offer you have that pays the bills, is it really wrong to take it? At least on the engineering, product management, etc. side of things, if you can get an offer at FB, it's highly unlikely you can't get offers elsewhere. Of course, there are only so many companies that can offer FB level compensation. Which, if we're being honest, is why FB continues to be an employer of choice for so many people despite its atrocious ethics track record.
- evgen 5y ago
  I have FB on my resume. I make hiring decisions. I will delete any applicant who was at FB over the past three years without a moment's hesitation. You do not take an FB offer to 'pay the bills', you take it because you want to acquire a big pile of money. There was a point pre-IPO where you could think that you were actually trying to do something cool, interesting, and overall were helping people stay connected with each other. Then there was a point where you could tell yourself that you were working on some big and interesting problems and if you didn't do your job well or nail some very tricky problems then it would have a negative impact on people's lives (or even get people killed if you messed up security/privacy and revealed info about some people.) Then one day you wake up and realize you are a prostitute working in Zuck's brothel, but unlike a real sex worker your actions are ending up fucking millions of people a day. If you don't leave at this point you are as unethical as the people around you.
  - ramphastidae 5y ago
    Wow. So do you have a list of objective criteria you use to decide which list of companies is morally acceptable for your candidates to have worked at, or are you just coming up with an arbitrary list based on your emotions and limited personal experience? Isn’t this also incredibly hypocritical given that you admit to working at FB yourself in the past? Shouldn’t you technically fire yourself, or do you of course consider your circumstances an exception?
    - evgen 5y ago
      > do you have a list of objective criteria you use to decide which list of companies is morally acceptable for your candidates to have worked at As a matter of fact I do. > Isn’t this also incredibly hypocritical given that you admit to working at FB yourself in the past It is. I excuse myself by saying that it was creepy but not overtly evil at the point where I left. To be honest, I think I got out at just the right time to have a small shred of morality left, but of course I would say that and others may differ. I am sure lots of people do not care, and the fact that my work at FB in its early days gets me interviews shows this to be a widespread opinion, but I have been inside the factory and have seen how the sausage is made. I have a date I keep in my head, and if you were at FB after that point you would be a 'no hire' for me.

This is why resumes with recent FB history should be thrown in the trash.

coolspot 5y ago

By the same logic, should people with criminal history also not be considered for any jobs?

fortuna86 5y ago
People with with criminal histories show remorse.
- fortuna86 5y ago
  Everyone I know that has taken a big bag of money from FB is still in denial about what they've done to the world.
shkkmo 5y ago
People with criminal histories have paid their debt to society and absolutely should be givem jobs. People with a history of unethical behavior for which they are unapologetic and never faced other consequences should face additional scrutiny.

ramphastidae 5y ago

I understand the sentiment but don’t think that’s fair. Not everyone gets to choose from their pick of job offers, and some people have serious financial commitments and dependents. If FB is the only job offer you have that pays the bills, is it really wrong to take it?

LurkingPenguin 5y ago
> If FB is the only job offer you have that pays the bills, is it really wrong to take it? At least on the engineering, product management, etc. side of things, if you can get an offer at FB, it's highly unlikely you can't get offers elsewhere. Of course, there are only so many companies that can offer FB level compensation. Which, if we're being honest, is why FB continues to be an employer of choice for so many people despite its atrocious ethics track record.
evgen 5y ago
I have FB on my resume. I make hiring decisions. I will delete any applicant who was at FB over the past three years without a moment's hesitation. You do not take an FB offer to 'pay the bills', you take it because you want to acquire a big pile of money. There was a point pre-IPO where you could think that you were actually trying to do something cool, interesting, and overall were helping people stay connected with each other. Then there was a point where you could tell yourself that you were working on some big and interesting problems and if you didn't do your job well or nail some very tricky problems then it would have a negative impact on people's lives (or even get people killed if you messed up security/privacy and revealed info about some people.) Then one day you wake up and realize you are a prostitute working in Zuck's brothel, but unlike a real sex worker your actions are ending up fucking millions of people a day. If you don't leave at this point you are as unethical as the people around you.
- ramphastidae 5y ago
  Wow. So do you have a list of objective criteria you use to decide which list of companies is morally acceptable for your candidates to have worked at, or are you just coming up with an arbitrary list based on your emotions and limited personal experience? Isn’t this also incredibly hypocritical given that you admit to working at FB yourself in the past? Shouldn’t you technically fire yourself, or do you of course consider your circumstances an exception?
  - evgen 5y ago
    > do you have a list of objective criteria you use to decide which list of companies is morally acceptable for your candidates to have worked at As a matter of fact I do. > Isn’t this also incredibly hypocritical given that you admit to working at FB yourself in the past It is. I excuse myself by saying that it was creepy but not overtly evil at the point where I left. To be honest, I think I got out at just the right time to have a small shred of morality left, but of course I would say that and others may differ. I am sure lots of people do not care, and the fact that my work at FB in its early days gets me interviews shows this to be a widespread opinion, but I have been inside the factory and have seen how the sausage is made. I have a date I keep in my head, and if you were at FB after that point you would be a 'no hire' for me.