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What about those who have a change of heart and left facebook to try and do something better? What about those in third-world countries that could only get in

by hpoe 5y ago

What about those who have a change of heart and left facebook to try and do something better? What about those in third-world countries that could only get in a on a Visa and FB was the one that hired them, could we fault them for choosing to leave a much riskier life to live the life of a FAANNG developer? Are people beyond redemption because of one bad decision, what about people that see the world differently?

louwrentius 5y ago
What about What about Whataboutism You are not redeemed because you were poor and FB gave you a ticket out of poverty. Because working for FB made you do things that made the lives of other people miserable. This is not how ethics and morality works at all.
- cybernautique 5y ago
  I don't think we can hold it against the citizens that we, as a society in the US, are fortunate enough to have naturalized by Facebook. For all their myriad harms, Facebook engineers are no slouches. We definitely get talent by Visa holders immigrating by their employment; further, I don't think we're familiar enough with their experience in their home to say that they shouldn't take any opportunity they can get to make it to the US. For all our myriad problems, I do think we're a great nation. However, excepting these employees alone, I do agree with you: Facebook employees are not good people.
  - louwrentius 5y ago
    Raising people out of poverty by building a platform that basically chips away at the fabric of society is beyond insane. I can see why 'poor' people would jump at the opportunity, but that doesn't really excuse them from the basic morality/ethics. Holding people from poorer countries to lower moral and ethical standards smells like a kind of latent racism to me too but maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt.
    - cybernautique 5y ago
      I don't think it's racism, necessarily, because it holds true for our naturalized citizens of any race. You could charge me with some sort of dread nationalism. I still wouldn't agree, but it's closer to my espoused basis. Also, for context: I am the child of a naturalized citizen from a very poor country, which very much colors my opinion. It's not so much that I hold these people to lower moral or ethical standards; it's moreso that my morals and ethics are entirely arbitrary, based on nothing more than what values I choose to hold. My standards are the same for everyone and everything, which is that my standard will be whatever it is at the moment I choose to query what my position is. Is this wildly inconsistent? Yes. Is it universalizable? No. But it's the best I've got, and it's what commits me the least.

by hpoe 5y ago

louwrentius 5y ago

What about What about Whataboutism You are not redeemed because you were poor and FB gave you a ticket out of poverty. Because working for FB made you do things that made the lives of other people miserable. This is not how ethics and morality works at all.

cybernautique 5y ago
I don't think we can hold it against the citizens that we, as a society in the US, are fortunate enough to have naturalized by Facebook. For all their myriad harms, Facebook engineers are no slouches. We definitely get talent by Visa holders immigrating by their employment; further, I don't think we're familiar enough with their experience in their home to say that they shouldn't take any opportunity they can get to make it to the US. For all our myriad problems, I do think we're a great nation. However, excepting these employees alone, I do agree with you: Facebook employees are not good people.
- louwrentius 5y ago
  Raising people out of poverty by building a platform that basically chips away at the fabric of society is beyond insane. I can see why 'poor' people would jump at the opportunity, but that doesn't really excuse them from the basic morality/ethics. Holding people from poorer countries to lower moral and ethical standards smells like a kind of latent racism to me too but maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt.
  - cybernautique 5y ago
    I don't think it's racism, necessarily, because it holds true for our naturalized citizens of any race. You could charge me with some sort of dread nationalism. I still wouldn't agree, but it's closer to my espoused basis. Also, for context: I am the child of a naturalized citizen from a very poor country, which very much colors my opinion. It's not so much that I hold these people to lower moral or ethical standards; it's moreso that my morals and ethics are entirely arbitrary, based on nothing more than what values I choose to hold. My standards are the same for everyone and everything, which is that my standard will be whatever it is at the moment I choose to query what my position is. Is this wildly inconsistent? Yes. Is it universalizable? No. But it's the best I've got, and it's what commits me the least.