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Are Tesla's cars with Autopilot involved in fatal crashes at a notably higher rate than comparable cars? If the answer were "yes," you wouldn't be pointing me t

Are Tesla's cars with Autopilot involved in fatal crashes at a notably higher rate than comparable cars? If the answer were "yes," you wouldn't be pointing me to anecdotes. You'd be pointing me to that data. The lack of that data is why, despite years, hundreds of thousands of vehicles, and millions upon millions of miles driven, people are still blaming the names of features. It's time to move on. Over 100 people die in the US per day in traffic accidents. How many years need to pass before a handful of anecdotes and speculation doesn't pass as valid criticism?

stefan_ 5y ago
Yes, why do we care that Boeing withheld crucial information about the MCAS? Is two crashed planes a lot compared to other plane models? Why do we determine the root cause for every crashed plane, there aren't a lot of those anymore? There is statistics, and then there is addressing obvious design flaws. The latter is worth doing a lot more than the former.
romwell 5y ago
>Are Tesla's cars with Autopilot involved in fatal crashes at a notably higher rate than comparable cars? The answer is yes [1]. >It's time to move on That time will be when the self-driving cars can safely elf-drive -- which is not now. [1]https://www.natlawreview.com/article/dangers-driverless-cars https://www.natlawreview.com/article/dangers-driverless-cars
- yazaddaruvala 5y ago
  This article is using data from 2015. In this industry that is basically meaningless. Given the staleness, I didn’t look more into the data cited. Natlawreview links to Carsurance which links to https://www.govtech.com/fs/first-driverless-car-crash-study-autonomous-vehicles-crash-more-injuries-are-less-serious.html https://www.govtech.com/fs/first-driverless-car-crash-study-...
  - romwell 5y ago
    If you have better data, be my guest. I'm not the one making a claim that self-driving cars are safer. The burden of proof is on whoever does.
    - yazaddaruvala 5y ago
      While biased towards Tesla cars, at least this is updated “regularly”. https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport

stefan_ 5y ago

Yes, why do we care that Boeing withheld crucial information about the MCAS? Is two crashed planes a lot compared to other plane models? Why do we determine the root cause for every crashed plane, there aren't a lot of those anymore? There is statistics, and then there is addressing obvious design flaws. The latter is worth doing a lot more than the former.

romwell 5y ago

>Are Tesla's cars with Autopilot involved in fatal crashes at a notably higher rate than comparable cars? The answer is yes [1]. >It's time to move on That time will be when the self-driving cars can safely elf-drive -- which is not now. [1]https://www.natlawreview.com/article/dangers-driverless-cars https://www.natlawreview.com/article/dangers-driverless-cars

yazaddaruvala 5y ago
This article is using data from 2015. In this industry that is basically meaningless. Given the staleness, I didn’t look more into the data cited. Natlawreview links to Carsurance which links to https://www.govtech.com/fs/first-driverless-car-crash-study-autonomous-vehicles-crash-more-injuries-are-less-serious.html https://www.govtech.com/fs/first-driverless-car-crash-study-...
- romwell 5y ago
  If you have better data, be my guest. I'm not the one making a claim that self-driving cars are safer. The burden of proof is on whoever does.
  - yazaddaruvala 5y ago
    While biased towards Tesla cars, at least this is updated “regularly”. https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport