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Yeah there's a reason that forward attention is the default. Spreading attention to lower probability and lower gravity issues may not be optimal, even if it f

Yeah there's a reason that forward attention is the default. Spreading attention to lower probability and lower gravity issues may not be optimal, even if it feels better. I'd guess it's riskier than maintaining attention in the direction of momentum. But it depends on the statistics of autopilot failure.

elif 5y ago
That's like saying "There's a reason bash scripting is the default." when first confronting high level languages. Yup. Legacy. Humans are legacy equipment, required up until very recently. Constant forward-looking may seem beneficial since most things come at you from the front. You might think they are the most important class of problems because you're forced to focus on them constantly. However, when you're on the 9's tail of problems you encounter on the road, very few of them are things approaching you from the front. Many of them are unexpected things on your sides, rears, and blind spot. The implication of alot of these comments that assisted drivers HAVE to pay full attention to all minutae of driving just as if they were driving is really debased from the reality of self-driving i experience. In terms of statistics right now AP is 4x safer than average human per mile travelled.
- romwell 5y ago
  >However, when you're on the 9's tail of problems you encounter on the road, very few of them are things approaching you from the front. >very few of them are things approaching you from the front. Yeah, most of them are stationary, like that highway divider that Tesla's autopilot crashed into, killing the driver. Most things are approaching you from the front in driver's frame of reference. And the autopilot still sucks at detecting them.
  - elif 5y ago
    since you're so invested in that particular crash i looked into it. The driver was doing 68 in a 55 around a corner while playing "Three Kingdoms" on his phone and crashed 10 seconds after engaging autopilot (not FSD). Using that as your basis of reasoning about AP safety is self-delusion. Watch some FSD beta 10 videos. Irresponsible driving is irresponsible driving.
- romwell 5y ago
  >In terms of statistics right now AP is 4x safer than average human per mile travelled. Because the profile of the average autopilot useris: poor, overworked, young, inexperienced driver, driving a 10 year old Honda civic without any active safety features? Yeah, that's a fair comparison. Also, citation needed.
  - elif 5y ago
    that was musk's number from AI day.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  "In terms of statistics right now AP is 4x safer than average human per mile travelled." My father has driven through a switchback mountain path without markings, during hailstorm, and wasn't always sober. On a car that has hasn't seen a mechanic in years. Autopilot doesn't even work in those conditions, it gets all it's miles on a straight highway in good weather. You play the game on easy mode, you get a better score.

elif 5y ago

That's like saying "There's a reason bash scripting is the default." when first confronting high level languages. Yup. Legacy. Humans are legacy equipment, required up until very recently. Constant forward-looking may seem beneficial since most things come at you from the front. You might think they are the most important class of problems because you're forced to focus on them constantly. However, when you're on the 9's tail of problems you encounter on the road, very few of them are things approaching you from the front. Many of them are unexpected things on your sides, rears, and blind spot. The implication of alot of these comments that assisted drivers HAVE to pay full attention to all minutae of driving just as if they were driving is really debased from the reality of self-driving i experience. In terms of statistics right now AP is 4x safer than average human per mile travelled.

romwell 5y ago
>However, when you're on the 9's tail of problems you encounter on the road, very few of them are things approaching you from the front. >very few of them are things approaching you from the front. Yeah, most of them are stationary, like that highway divider that Tesla's autopilot crashed into, killing the driver. Most things are approaching you from the front in driver's frame of reference. And the autopilot still sucks at detecting them.
- elif 5y ago
  since you're so invested in that particular crash i looked into it. The driver was doing 68 in a 55 around a corner while playing "Three Kingdoms" on his phone and crashed 10 seconds after engaging autopilot (not FSD). Using that as your basis of reasoning about AP safety is self-delusion. Watch some FSD beta 10 videos. Irresponsible driving is irresponsible driving.
romwell 5y ago
>In terms of statistics right now AP is 4x safer than average human per mile travelled. Because the profile of the average autopilot useris: poor, overworked, young, inexperienced driver, driving a 10 year old Honda civic without any active safety features? Yeah, that's a fair comparison. Also, citation needed.
- elif 5y ago
  that was musk's number from AI day.
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"In terms of statistics right now AP is 4x safer than average human per mile travelled." My father has driven through a switchback mountain path without markings, during hailstorm, and wasn't always sober. On a car that has hasn't seen a mechanic in years. Autopilot doesn't even work in those conditions, it gets all it's miles on a straight highway in good weather. You play the game on easy mode, you get a better score.