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Wuhan scientists planned to release coronaviruses in cave bats in 2018

81 points by AndrewBissell 5y ago

boredumb 5y ago
Pay walled
boredumb 5y ago
https://news.yahoo.com/wuhan-scientists-planned-release-skin-145326380.html https://news.yahoo.com/wuhan-scientists-planned-release-skin... this link seems to have the actual text
nikolay 5y ago
No paywall: https://archive.ph/itqJH https://archive.ph/itqJH
musicale 5y ago
> “It is clear that the proposed project led by Peter Daszak could have put local communities at risk” It's totally safe, trust us - we're scientists! > “The scary part is they were making infectious chimeric Mers viruses,” the source said. What could possibly go wrong?
tuatoru 5y ago
> Papers, confirmed as genuine by a former member of the Trump administration Well, they must be totally genuine then.
- jimmygrapes 5y ago
  I'd guess that your reaction is exactly why they put that in there. Careful.
  - Rzor 5y ago
    This is so well noted and it got me right on point when I was ready to complete disregard the article because of it. I remember reading a whole discussion about this kind of stuff here. If I could give you ten upvotes, I would. Thank you.
- PraetorianGourd 5y ago
  Anyone who worked under the Executive Branch (most of government) between 1-2017 and 1-2020 worked as a member of the Trump administration. Don't discount them all.
- tonfreed 5y ago
  Let me guess, 12 months ago you also said you'd never take an operation warp speed vaccine.
codezero 5y ago
This is the original source material I believe: https://drasticresearch.org/2021/09/20/1583/ https://drasticresearch.org/2021/09/20/1583/ Also a link to the original grant (I think!) https://drasticresearch.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/main-document-preempt-volume-1-no-ess-hr00118s0017-ecohealth-alliance.pdf https://drasticresearch.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/main-doc...
- jml7c5 5y ago
  I believe the full list of leaked documents is here: https://drasticresearch.org/2021/09/21/the-defuse-project-documents/ https://drasticresearch.org/2021/09/21/the-defuse-project-do... (Your first link is to Drastic Research's editorial/analysis of the documents, not the raw documents themselves.)
findalex 5y ago
> "Darpa refused to fund the work, saying: 'It is clear that the proposed project led by Peter Daszak could have put local communities at risk'" So they pitch this project to both DARPA and NIH... and DARPA says no citing community risk.
noptd 5y ago
Wow, the linked article about the Lancet letter which shutdown debate on a potential lab origin back in March of last year is pretty damning as well - https://archive.ph/dXc0n https://archive.ph/dXc0n Excerpt: > All but one scientist who penned a letter in The Lancet dismissing the possibility that coronavirus could have come from a lab in Wuhan were linked to its Chinese researchers, their colleagues or funders, a Telegraph investigation can reveal.
belter 5y ago
If you posted any of this on Facebook a few months ago ...You would be labeled a nutter, registered on an invisible check list as a conspiracy theorist with your IP shared with other providers...A nicely dressed WHO official would ask you if you have a PhD in Immunology, and would say you cannot possibly know what you are talking about...
joshuahughes 5y ago
14 comments in 14hrs. For comparison, a post about TikTokers trading stocks has 168 comments in the same time. I find it incredible that this bombshell hasn't elicited more of a response. Too uncomfortable a subject to discuss perhaps?
- oliwarner 5y ago
  Maybe people are past caring. What is commenting, protesting, international sanctions or going to war actually going to achieve here? I probably do believe an accidental lab-leak scenario, but obsessing about it isn't going to bring anyone back, or refund my family's time in lockdown, or help us treat it going forward. If anything, it's a distraction from what we need to do to to slow transmission.
  - AndrewBissell 5y ago
    We could always make sure there isn't more of this sort of research being done right now. Firing anyone who was involved (as opposed to, say, giving them regular interview slots on CNN) also seems wise.
    - oliwarner 5y ago
      I don't disagree, with caveats. This is absolutely something that investigative professionals should pursue. If laws need to change, or people need to be punished on their recommendation, go for it. But this is not the time for more "Drastic" research, scraping together odd papers and presentation slides to build a narrative. It's not the time a newspaper (that is a family friend, ex-employer and significantly Party-biased) to rile people up enough to buy the book you're about to release. We've all seen way too much of this social-media-science in the past 2 years. Anger and anecdotes aren't enough. He should present his case to the authorities and let them deal with it, rather than trying to do the same as the rest of his Party members and cash in.
- Proven 5y ago
  It goes against the Biden admin narrative (not to mention it exposes them all as liars, especially Fauci). A great comment below implies it's fake news because The Telegraph. In other words, as long as Biden admin can ensure the regime-friendly American press doesn't write about it, it's fake news. And if you are a thoughtful never-Trumper you're not supposed to comment here and draw attention to the news.

81 points by AndrewBissell 5y ago

Pay walled

https://news.yahoo.com/wuhan-scientists-planned-release-skin-145326380.html https://news.yahoo.com/wuhan-scientists-planned-release-skin... this link seems to have the actual text

nikolay 5y ago

No paywall: https://archive.ph/itqJH https://archive.ph/itqJH

musicale 5y ago

> “It is clear that the proposed project led by Peter Daszak could have put local communities at risk” It's totally safe, trust us - we're scientists! > “The scary part is they were making infectious chimeric Mers viruses,” the source said. What could possibly go wrong?

tuatoru 5y ago

> Papers, confirmed as genuine by a former member of the Trump administration Well, they must be totally genuine then.

jimmygrapes 5y ago
I'd guess that your reaction is exactly why they put that in there. Careful.
- Rzor 5y ago
  This is so well noted and it got me right on point when I was ready to complete disregard the article because of it. I remember reading a whole discussion about this kind of stuff here. If I could give you ten upvotes, I would. Thank you.
PraetorianGourd 5y ago
Anyone who worked under the Executive Branch (most of government) between 1-2017 and 1-2020 worked as a member of the Trump administration. Don't discount them all.
tonfreed 5y ago
Let me guess, 12 months ago you also said you'd never take an operation warp speed vaccine.

codezero 5y ago

This is the original source material I believe: https://drasticresearch.org/2021/09/20/1583/ https://drasticresearch.org/2021/09/20/1583/ Also a link to the original grant (I think!) https://drasticresearch.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/main-document-preempt-volume-1-no-ess-hr00118s0017-ecohealth-alliance.pdf https://drasticresearch.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/main-doc...

jml7c5 5y ago
I believe the full list of leaked documents is here: https://drasticresearch.org/2021/09/21/the-defuse-project-documents/ https://drasticresearch.org/2021/09/21/the-defuse-project-do... (Your first link is to Drastic Research's editorial/analysis of the documents, not the raw documents themselves.)

findalex 5y ago

> "Darpa refused to fund the work, saying: 'It is clear that the proposed project led by Peter Daszak could have put local communities at risk'" So they pitch this project to both DARPA and NIH... and DARPA says no citing community risk.

noptd 5y ago

Wow, the linked article about the Lancet letter which shutdown debate on a potential lab origin back in March of last year is pretty damning as well - https://archive.ph/dXc0n https://archive.ph/dXc0n Excerpt: > All but one scientist who penned a letter in The Lancet dismissing the possibility that coronavirus could have come from a lab in Wuhan were linked to its Chinese researchers, their colleagues or funders, a Telegraph investigation can reveal.

belter 5y ago

If you posted any of this on Facebook a few months ago ...You would be labeled a nutter, registered on an invisible check list as a conspiracy theorist with your IP shared with other providers...A nicely dressed WHO official would ask you if you have a PhD in Immunology, and would say you cannot possibly know what you are talking about...

joshuahughes 5y ago

14 comments in 14hrs. For comparison, a post about TikTokers trading stocks has 168 comments in the same time. I find it incredible that this bombshell hasn't elicited more of a response. Too uncomfortable a subject to discuss perhaps?

oliwarner 5y ago
Maybe people are past caring. What is commenting, protesting, international sanctions or going to war actually going to achieve here? I probably do believe an accidental lab-leak scenario, but obsessing about it isn't going to bring anyone back, or refund my family's time in lockdown, or help us treat it going forward. If anything, it's a distraction from what we need to do to to slow transmission.
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  We could always make sure there isn't more of this sort of research being done right now. Firing anyone who was involved (as opposed to, say, giving them regular interview slots on CNN) also seems wise.
  - oliwarner 5y ago
    I don't disagree, with caveats. This is absolutely something that investigative professionals should pursue. If laws need to change, or people need to be punished on their recommendation, go for it. But this is not the time for more "Drastic" research, scraping together odd papers and presentation slides to build a narrative. It's not the time a newspaper (that is a family friend, ex-employer and significantly Party-biased) to rile people up enough to buy the book you're about to release. We've all seen way too much of this social-media-science in the past 2 years. Anger and anecdotes aren't enough. He should present his case to the authorities and let them deal with it, rather than trying to do the same as the rest of his Party members and cash in.
Proven 5y ago
It goes against the Biden admin narrative (not to mention it exposes them all as liars, especially Fauci). A great comment below implies it's fake news because The Telegraph. In other words, as long as Biden admin can ensure the regime-friendly American press doesn't write about it, it's fake news. And if you are a thoughtful never-Trumper you're not supposed to comment here and draw attention to the news.