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I don't understand how this meme about "dongles" still exists. You know how I avoided using dongles? I just used USB-C cables. And for the very few things that

I don't understand how this meme about "dongles" still exists. You know how I avoided using dongles? I just used USB-C cables. And for the very few things that don't have a detachable cable, I use a micro USB-C adapter. It's been several years since the release of the USB-C only MacBook Pros, this shouldn't be an issue if you put in a minimal amount of effort.

BiteCode_dev 5y ago
HN bubble at work, right here. Some of my clients still have projectors with... vga ports. Then you need ethernet and hdmi of course, regularly in the corporate world or at your friends house. So yeah, dongle it is. USB-C dongle for sure, but still dongle.
- EduardoBautista 5y ago
  There are cables for USB-C to VGA and HDMI, no dongle required. Ethernet, OK, I will give you that.
  - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
    I don't see how putting a cable in my backpack is going to be better than a dongle, and I'm certainly not going to a client for the first time then complain they don't have the right cable. Not to mention the dongle supports several ports. But you know what is better than either ? The framework laptop solution of letting me configure the port I want before going to my client.
    - deserted 5y ago
      Are you going to ask in advance "what type of plug should my laptop have to connect to your monitor" or bring a pocket full of ports?
  - morganvachon 5y ago
    I would argue that a USB-C to VGA or HDMI cable is just a longer dongle. What if you take your USB-C-only laptop to a remote office to do a presentation, but your six foot USB-C to HDMI cable isn't long enough to reach the port because the projector is mounted in the ceiling and has a standard HDMI cable routed to the lectern? I'd much rather have the Framework with a HDMI port on the device than struggle with a common situation like that.
    - jsjohnst 5y ago
      > What if you take your USB-C-only laptop to a remote office to do a presentation, but your six foot USB-C to HDMI cable isn't long enough to reach the port because the projector is mounted in the ceiling and has a standard HDMI cable routed to the lectern? I personally really like the idea of what Framework is doing and wish more laptops followed suit, but that is a trivially solved problem you identified: https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Connector-Extender-Chromecast-PlayStation/dp/B00A30FELW/ https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Connector-Extender-Chromecast-...
      - morganvachon 5y ago
        Of course it's trivially solved...with a dongle for your dongle! Or you could avoid dongle-ception by using a modular laptop like the Framework, or even a standard laptop with an HDMI port; even current-gen models from Dell, Lenovo, and HP still have it as an option especially on business-oriented machines. It all comes down to what your everyday requirements and tolerances allow for. But again, the "dongle" argument is moot and not really a reason to either consider or avoid the Framework, for me at least. It's more about the device being open and repairable, and arguments about dongles are just attempts to justify one's current USB-C only device.
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        jsjohnst 5y ago
        > It all comes down to what your everyday requirements and tolerances allow for Agree completely. For me, Apple's USB-C only ports isn't an issue as everything I use plugs in via one or two TB3 cables (depending on personal vs work laptop) and daisy chains from the monitor or a TB3 dock so no dongles needed at all, but I still appreciate the design choice Framework made and think it's a good strategy.
  - Ekaros 5y ago
    USB-C to VGA? How is that not a dongle? Those protocols are in no way compatible...
    - z3t4 5y ago
      Theoretically you could emulate the signal with software/drivers given that USB-C has 24 pins. But there's actually display standards/signals built into USB-C so you "just have to" convert the digital signal to analog for VGA, but then it's no longer a stupid cable and more like a dongle.
      - EduardoBautista 5y ago
        https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-MacBook-Supports-Resolutions-1920x1080/dp/B072DX5Z5S https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-MacBook-Supports-Resolutions... I don't understand how one USB-C to VGA cable is more inconvenient?
        Zachsa999 5y ago
        Never have I seen a greater push against good design. The laptop ship with USBc if you didn't pick that up. YOU CAN USE YOUR USBC TO VGA CABLE IF YOU WANT. Or, if you don't want, you can grab A VGA module out of your drawer you store all your retired dongles in, slide it into your laptop, and there you have it.
        EduardoBautista 5y ago
        This is not about using a module vs a cable. My comments refer to using a cable instead of a dongle. People make it seem as though using a dongle is the ONLY way to, for example, connect your MacBook Pro to a TV when you could just use a cable for it.
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- White_Wolf 5y ago
  For this exact reason I carry a projector(with a mira/chromecast dongle in my car whenever I have to train engineers at our partners offices).
  - TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
    And if you're speaking at a conference and have to use whatever is available?
    - lrae 5y ago
      Then you'll take a dongle with you to that conference? Are you telling me you would always waste one of the 4? framework ports for Display Ouput X that you only use once a year?
    - spockz 5y ago
      All the conferences I’ve been to had dongles readily available. Most used hdmi. Once I had hastily arranged breakout room that had VGA for the Beamer. I think this is a non-issue?
    - White_Wolf 5y ago
      I always carry it with me but usually they have some sort of screen casting tech around already. I do make it clear from the planning stages that they need to provide either one of 3 video inputs to their selected system (HDMI/DP/Screen casting) or they need to provide the computer that I can use to remote into my 13"(this is what they usually choose if they have older screens or projectors).
- bumbada 5y ago
  I carry a battery powered projector for this reason for talking with customers, providers or partners. I use standard airport suitcases for that. It just makes no sense spending lots of time trying to adapt to obsolete infrastructure for every person you visit. If necessary I even have a blackboard and color chalks in my car and get away with them. When I go to the meeting room, if I don't need to use my projector, great, but I will never use VGA, too much hassle.
  - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
    Except: - some conf room don't have a projector, but flat screens, a smart white boards or some remote conf setup that needs you to plug in, and/or no walls that fits the bill for projection - some conf rooms don't have a place to put for your projector and get a good picture. Their is own the ceiling. - unless you buy a very good one, some conf rooms won't have the light for your projector to be readable - it addresses only the projector problem, not ethernet, sd card, usb A, etc - a good projector is way more expensive that a few dongles, are easier to break, harder to replace if lost/broken or if you forget it at home Not to say it's a bad idea to _also_ have a projector.
  - aksss 5y ago
    What projector do u use?
- lrae 5y ago
  HN bubble at work, right here. Framework does not even offer a VGA module, do they?
  - buildbot 5y ago
    But it would be easy to make one yourself! Though fitting the port itself may be a challenge...
  - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
    Yet. They are just getting started. Plus their modules have an open design.
    - pavon 5y ago
      I'm curious as to how those work out. The modules are too short to fit a VGA, serial, or ethernet port and be flush with the laptop, but I think you could make one that extends further out and above, and would still have some benefits over a dongle.
      - yourapostasy 5y ago
        > The modules are too short to fit a VGA, serial, or ethernet port and be flush with the laptop... I'd be fine with a pop out style port for those ports. Won't be flush while in use, but I'd happily accept that to trade off having to carry around dongles. I'd rather pack and carry a small "stick" of these modules stacked together than a bundle of dongles. I give it three months tops before someone starts selling a Pez-like "dispenser" that stores these modules. If the module bodies were designed to stick together though, that would spark joy in my inner Marie Kondo.
        realityking 5y ago
        Why carry a stick of modules instead of a single dongle[1] that has every port you'd need? 1: https://www.kensington.com/p/products/device-docking-connectivity-products/laptop-docks-usb-accessories/sd1650p-usb-c-single-4k-portable-docking-station-with-100w-power-pass-through2-1/ https://www.kensington.com/p/products/device-docking-connect...
- deeblering4 5y ago
  HN bubble at work, right here. Some of my clients still have vt220 terminals with... serial ports. Then you need a 9600 baud modem and rj11 wire of course, regularly in the corporate world or at your friends house. So yeah, dongle it is. USB 1.1 dongle for sure, but still dongle.
  - genewitch 5y ago
    I too also throw away perfectly good gear because of a decision apple made!
  - fomine3 5y ago
    Not fair. Very few laptops have serial port (I came up with GPD Micro PC) and maybe zero have modem, but some laptops have VGA port. Manufacturers know that VGA is still used but serial/modem aren't.
    - nl 5y ago
      > but some laptops have VGA port Do any (non-specialist) laptops still have VGA ports? I had a quick look on the Dell site and couldn't find any.
      - fomine3 5y ago
        In Japanese market, some latest models support VGA but mostly by domestic brand. Some models are made by Clevo or whatever, so possibly also available on other markets. Here's a list: https://kakaku.com/pc/note-pc/itemlist.aspx?pdf_Spec047=1 https://kakaku.com/pc/note-pc/itemlist.aspx?pdf_Spec047=1 Those are seems to available on other markets. https://www.asus.com/Laptops/For-Work/ExpertBook/ExpertBook-B1-B1500/techspec/ https://www.asus.com/Laptops/For-Work/ExpertBook/ExpertBook-... https://www.fujitsu.com/global/products/computing/pc/notebooks/lifebook-u7411/index.html https://www.fujitsu.com/global/products/computing/pc/noteboo...
    - gertrunde 5y ago
      These days I suspect that something like a toughbook might be the only option for those sort of ports - although that GPD Micro PC does look quite fun. Even 10-15 years ago, proper serial ports were becoming extremely rare, but there are times when you need a proper one. Around that time we resorted to pc card/express card serial ports for occasions when USB to serial isn't good enough, although they were relatively expensive (3-4 times more than a USB serial dongle). (The use case in that scenario was field engineers connecting to a very wide variety of odd equipment, like fire alarm panels and door entry systems, that sort of thing - USB dongles were massively inconsistent and unreliable - different dongles would be compatible/incompatible with different kit, was a right mess). Obviously, these days, express card slots are also quite rare. (The alternative is hauling out my old IBM T22, which I think maybe came with Win98... mostly still works apart from the battery).
- dnautics 5y ago
  ethernet and serial dongles are a requirement for emergency maintenance inside of datacenters. But of course not many people on hn spend time in datacenters anymare...
  - kllrnohj 5y ago
    It's also needed for just making sure your internet is setup properly at home. Nobody cares about your speed test over wifi, but ISP's sometimes care if you can't get anywhere close to the rated speeds over Ethernet. And of course that setup still requires Ethernet. Can't setup a wifi ap over wifi.
  - ryan_lane 5y ago
    These should be part of the crash cart...
    - gertrunde 5y ago
      Wow. You must be going places with some seriously luxury crash carts ;) I'm normally happy if the power cable for the screen is still there...
- dionian 5y ago
  If they continued to support USB-A natively then the industry would be even slower to pick up USB-C
jazzyjackson 5y ago
I have yet to see a USB-C thumb drive in the wild.
- somehnguy 5y ago
  I have one, it’s USBC on one end & regular USB on the other, just flips around in the protective sheath to whatever one you need. It’s also super fast, though I’ve never spent much for high end thumb drives to compare to. I got it at Target. Love how easy it makes going between my USBC only MBP and other random computers.
  - nottorp 5y ago
    I got a Kingston MicroDuo. Both USB-C and USB-A and it's small enough that i keep it in my wallet with the coins.
- cylinder714 5y ago
  Best Buy has Sandisk units.
- aksss 5y ago
  SanDisk dual drive is fantastic. Gets a bit hot, but it’s awesomely useful to have both plugs on the same drive.
sequoia 5y ago
In 2019 my new employer sent me a new MacBook pro. I couldn’t connect it to my home office monitors which had vga and dvi ports, so I asked for dongles. Rather than try to sort out the cable confusion, they simply shipped me brand new monitors (which I wasn’t asking for). I also needed dongles to attach my keyboard and mouse, dongles for same were provided by IT. My point: Dongles are still an issue, not everyone throws out their displays/keyboard/mouse every time apple comes out with some new version. My 2010 dell displays still work just fine, and it would be great if I could plug them straight into my laptop.
- turtlebits 5y ago
  While I'm not a big fan of dongles, they make them slim enough to just leave them attached to the device. I've had one attached to my mouse for 2 years now and it doesn't add much bulk. My Samsung phone came with one so small that you can't even tell is there (other than the extra width for the USB-A part).
  - andrepd 5y ago
    Why on earth would you remove ports for "thinness" just to have a cable flopping around?
    - richardfey 5y ago
      Because the designers are not forced to use their prototype for 500 hours before signing it off, that's why!
    - Grustaf 5y ago
      Because 100% of people can enjoy the thinness 100% of the time, and only 5% of people need VGA for about 20% of their time.
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girvo 5y ago
You're being downvoted which seems a bit weird, but I agree at least for myself. I went USB-C only in my house, and it's been pretty excellent, up until my new job gave me a Windows laptop that has exactly one USB-C port and requires Mini-DisplayPort 1.4 for its display output.

BiteCode_dev 5y ago

HN bubble at work, right here. Some of my clients still have projectors with... vga ports. Then you need ethernet and hdmi of course, regularly in the corporate world or at your friends house. So yeah, dongle it is. USB-C dongle for sure, but still dongle.

EduardoBautista 5y ago
There are cables for USB-C to VGA and HDMI, no dongle required. Ethernet, OK, I will give you that.
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago
  I don't see how putting a cable in my backpack is going to be better than a dongle, and I'm certainly not going to a client for the first time then complain they don't have the right cable. Not to mention the dongle supports several ports. But you know what is better than either ? The framework laptop solution of letting me configure the port I want before going to my client.
  - deserted 5y ago
    Are you going to ask in advance "what type of plug should my laptop have to connect to your monitor" or bring a pocket full of ports?
- morganvachon 5y ago
  I would argue that a USB-C to VGA or HDMI cable is just a longer dongle. What if you take your USB-C-only laptop to a remote office to do a presentation, but your six foot USB-C to HDMI cable isn't long enough to reach the port because the projector is mounted in the ceiling and has a standard HDMI cable routed to the lectern? I'd much rather have the Framework with a HDMI port on the device than struggle with a common situation like that.
  - jsjohnst 5y ago
    > What if you take your USB-C-only laptop to a remote office to do a presentation, but your six foot USB-C to HDMI cable isn't long enough to reach the port because the projector is mounted in the ceiling and has a standard HDMI cable routed to the lectern? I personally really like the idea of what Framework is doing and wish more laptops followed suit, but that is a trivially solved problem you identified: https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Connector-Extender-Chromecast-PlayStation/dp/B00A30FELW/ https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Connector-Extender-Chromecast-...
    - morganvachon 5y ago
      Of course it's trivially solved...with a dongle for your dongle! Or you could avoid dongle-ception by using a modular laptop like the Framework, or even a standard laptop with an HDMI port; even current-gen models from Dell, Lenovo, and HP still have it as an option especially on business-oriented machines. It all comes down to what your everyday requirements and tolerances allow for. But again, the "dongle" argument is moot and not really a reason to either consider or avoid the Framework, for me at least. It's more about the device being open and repairable, and arguments about dongles are just attempts to justify one's current USB-C only device.
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      - jsjohnst 5y ago
        > It all comes down to what your everyday requirements and tolerances allow for Agree completely. For me, Apple's USB-C only ports isn't an issue as everything I use plugs in via one or two TB3 cables (depending on personal vs work laptop) and daisy chains from the monitor or a TB3 dock so no dongles needed at all, but I still appreciate the design choice Framework made and think it's a good strategy.
- Ekaros 5y ago
  USB-C to VGA? How is that not a dongle? Those protocols are in no way compatible...
  - z3t4 5y ago
    Theoretically you could emulate the signal with software/drivers given that USB-C has 24 pins. But there's actually display standards/signals built into USB-C so you "just have to" convert the digital signal to analog for VGA, but then it's no longer a stupid cable and more like a dongle.
    - EduardoBautista 5y ago
      https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-MacBook-Supports-Resolutions-1920x1080/dp/B072DX5Z5S https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-MacBook-Supports-Resolutions... I don't understand how one USB-C to VGA cable is more inconvenient?
      - Zachsa999 5y ago
        Never have I seen a greater push against good design. The laptop ship with USBc if you didn't pick that up. YOU CAN USE YOUR USBC TO VGA CABLE IF YOU WANT. Or, if you don't want, you can grab A VGA module out of your drawer you store all your retired dongles in, slide it into your laptop, and there you have it.
        EduardoBautista 5y ago
        This is not about using a module vs a cable. My comments refer to using a cable instead of a dongle. People make it seem as though using a dongle is the ONLY way to, for example, connect your MacBook Pro to a TV when you could just use a cable for it.
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White_Wolf 5y ago
For this exact reason I carry a projector(with a mira/chromecast dongle in my car whenever I have to train engineers at our partners offices).
- TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
  And if you're speaking at a conference and have to use whatever is available?
  - lrae 5y ago
    Then you'll take a dongle with you to that conference? Are you telling me you would always waste one of the 4? framework ports for Display Ouput X that you only use once a year?
  - spockz 5y ago
    All the conferences I’ve been to had dongles readily available. Most used hdmi. Once I had hastily arranged breakout room that had VGA for the Beamer. I think this is a non-issue?
  - White_Wolf 5y ago
    I always carry it with me but usually they have some sort of screen casting tech around already. I do make it clear from the planning stages that they need to provide either one of 3 video inputs to their selected system (HDMI/DP/Screen casting) or they need to provide the computer that I can use to remote into my 13"(this is what they usually choose if they have older screens or projectors).
bumbada 5y ago
I carry a battery powered projector for this reason for talking with customers, providers or partners. I use standard airport suitcases for that. It just makes no sense spending lots of time trying to adapt to obsolete infrastructure for every person you visit. If necessary I even have a blackboard and color chalks in my car and get away with them. When I go to the meeting room, if I don't need to use my projector, great, but I will never use VGA, too much hassle.
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago
  Except: - some conf room don't have a projector, but flat screens, a smart white boards or some remote conf setup that needs you to plug in, and/or no walls that fits the bill for projection - some conf rooms don't have a place to put for your projector and get a good picture. Their is own the ceiling. - unless you buy a very good one, some conf rooms won't have the light for your projector to be readable - it addresses only the projector problem, not ethernet, sd card, usb A, etc - a good projector is way more expensive that a few dongles, are easier to break, harder to replace if lost/broken or if you forget it at home Not to say it's a bad idea to _also_ have a projector.
- aksss 5y ago
  What projector do u use?
lrae 5y ago
HN bubble at work, right here. Framework does not even offer a VGA module, do they?
- buildbot 5y ago
  But it would be easy to make one yourself! Though fitting the port itself may be a challenge...
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago
  Yet. They are just getting started. Plus their modules have an open design.
  - pavon 5y ago
    I'm curious as to how those work out. The modules are too short to fit a VGA, serial, or ethernet port and be flush with the laptop, but I think you could make one that extends further out and above, and would still have some benefits over a dongle.
    - yourapostasy 5y ago
      > The modules are too short to fit a VGA, serial, or ethernet port and be flush with the laptop... I'd be fine with a pop out style port for those ports. Won't be flush while in use, but I'd happily accept that to trade off having to carry around dongles. I'd rather pack and carry a small "stick" of these modules stacked together than a bundle of dongles. I give it three months tops before someone starts selling a Pez-like "dispenser" that stores these modules. If the module bodies were designed to stick together though, that would spark joy in my inner Marie Kondo.
      - realityking 5y ago
        Why carry a stick of modules instead of a single dongle[1] that has every port you'd need? 1: https://www.kensington.com/p/products/device-docking-connectivity-products/laptop-docks-usb-accessories/sd1650p-usb-c-single-4k-portable-docking-station-with-100w-power-pass-through2-1/ https://www.kensington.com/p/products/device-docking-connect...
deeblering4 5y ago
HN bubble at work, right here. Some of my clients still have vt220 terminals with... serial ports. Then you need a 9600 baud modem and rj11 wire of course, regularly in the corporate world or at your friends house. So yeah, dongle it is. USB 1.1 dongle for sure, but still dongle.
- genewitch 5y ago
  I too also throw away perfectly good gear because of a decision apple made!
- fomine3 5y ago
  Not fair. Very few laptops have serial port (I came up with GPD Micro PC) and maybe zero have modem, but some laptops have VGA port. Manufacturers know that VGA is still used but serial/modem aren't.
  - nl 5y ago
    > but some laptops have VGA port Do any (non-specialist) laptops still have VGA ports? I had a quick look on the Dell site and couldn't find any.
    - fomine3 5y ago
      In Japanese market, some latest models support VGA but mostly by domestic brand. Some models are made by Clevo or whatever, so possibly also available on other markets. Here's a list: https://kakaku.com/pc/note-pc/itemlist.aspx?pdf_Spec047=1 https://kakaku.com/pc/note-pc/itemlist.aspx?pdf_Spec047=1 Those are seems to available on other markets. https://www.asus.com/Laptops/For-Work/ExpertBook/ExpertBook-B1-B1500/techspec/ https://www.asus.com/Laptops/For-Work/ExpertBook/ExpertBook-... https://www.fujitsu.com/global/products/computing/pc/notebooks/lifebook-u7411/index.html https://www.fujitsu.com/global/products/computing/pc/noteboo...
  - gertrunde 5y ago
    These days I suspect that something like a toughbook might be the only option for those sort of ports - although that GPD Micro PC does look quite fun. Even 10-15 years ago, proper serial ports were becoming extremely rare, but there are times when you need a proper one. Around that time we resorted to pc card/express card serial ports for occasions when USB to serial isn't good enough, although they were relatively expensive (3-4 times more than a USB serial dongle). (The use case in that scenario was field engineers connecting to a very wide variety of odd equipment, like fire alarm panels and door entry systems, that sort of thing - USB dongles were massively inconsistent and unreliable - different dongles would be compatible/incompatible with different kit, was a right mess). Obviously, these days, express card slots are also quite rare. (The alternative is hauling out my old IBM T22, which I think maybe came with Win98... mostly still works apart from the battery).
dnautics 5y ago
ethernet and serial dongles are a requirement for emergency maintenance inside of datacenters. But of course not many people on hn spend time in datacenters anymare...
- kllrnohj 5y ago
  It's also needed for just making sure your internet is setup properly at home. Nobody cares about your speed test over wifi, but ISP's sometimes care if you can't get anywhere close to the rated speeds over Ethernet. And of course that setup still requires Ethernet. Can't setup a wifi ap over wifi.
- ryan_lane 5y ago
  These should be part of the crash cart...
  - gertrunde 5y ago
    Wow. You must be going places with some seriously luxury crash carts ;) I'm normally happy if the power cable for the screen is still there...
dionian 5y ago
If they continued to support USB-A natively then the industry would be even slower to pick up USB-C

jazzyjackson 5y ago

I have yet to see a USB-C thumb drive in the wild.

somehnguy 5y ago
I have one, it’s USBC on one end & regular USB on the other, just flips around in the protective sheath to whatever one you need. It’s also super fast, though I’ve never spent much for high end thumb drives to compare to. I got it at Target. Love how easy it makes going between my USBC only MBP and other random computers.
- nottorp 5y ago
  I got a Kingston MicroDuo. Both USB-C and USB-A and it's small enough that i keep it in my wallet with the coins.
cylinder714 5y ago
Best Buy has Sandisk units.
aksss 5y ago
SanDisk dual drive is fantastic. Gets a bit hot, but it’s awesomely useful to have both plugs on the same drive.

sequoia 5y ago

In 2019 my new employer sent me a new MacBook pro. I couldn’t connect it to my home office monitors which had vga and dvi ports, so I asked for dongles. Rather than try to sort out the cable confusion, they simply shipped me brand new monitors (which I wasn’t asking for). I also needed dongles to attach my keyboard and mouse, dongles for same were provided by IT. My point: Dongles are still an issue, not everyone throws out their displays/keyboard/mouse every time apple comes out with some new version. My 2010 dell displays still work just fine, and it would be great if I could plug them straight into my laptop.

turtlebits 5y ago
While I'm not a big fan of dongles, they make them slim enough to just leave them attached to the device. I've had one attached to my mouse for 2 years now and it doesn't add much bulk. My Samsung phone came with one so small that you can't even tell is there (other than the extra width for the USB-A part).
- andrepd 5y ago
  Why on earth would you remove ports for "thinness" just to have a cable flopping around?
  - richardfey 5y ago
    Because the designers are not forced to use their prototype for 500 hours before signing it off, that's why!
  - Grustaf 5y ago
    Because 100% of people can enjoy the thinness 100% of the time, and only 5% of people need VGA for about 20% of their time.
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girvo 5y ago

You're being downvoted which seems a bit weird, but I agree at least for myself. I went USB-C only in my house, and it's been pretty excellent, up until my new job gave me a Windows laptop that has exactly one USB-C port and requires Mini-DisplayPort 1.4 for its display output.