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These laptops would be an instant buy from me if I could get a new AMD chip instead of the Intel CPU's.
by TOMDM 5y ago
These laptops would be an instant buy from me if I could get a new AMD chip instead of the Intel CPU's.
- collinvandyck76 5y agoSame here but for fan noise. Since I've gotten the m1 macbook air, I don't think I can go back to a laptop that runs hot and needs a fan. In the event that I must get a non-m1 laptop, I can definitely see myself buying the framework laptop and putting ubuntu on it.
- webmobdev 5y agoI've never met someone before that cares about cpu fan noise. Genuinely. It never bothers me so I have never thought about it. Perhaps also because my workflow involves playing music when I work to make me more productive.
- soperj 5y agoThey likely used apple for a long time before this, and they had a ton of fan noise. So likely wasn't an issue previously.
- speedgoose 5y agoGetting a noise less and fast laptop is a good improvement. It's like going from a fossil car to an electric one. So much less noise and vibrations. The noise is acceptable but it's annoying to go back.
- soperj 5y agoAs someone who bikes, electric cars make a lot of noise still when they're not going under 10km/hr.
- dinkleberg 5y agoAs someone who records lots of videos it is quite frustrating. The less noise the better.
- FullyFunctional 5y agoMy MacBooks have generally been quiet, but not silent. Having lived with the M1 MacBook Air since it came out, I _never_ want to go back to a fan. Silence is a luxury.
- sagarm 5y agoThe pre-M1 MacBook Air fan kicks in a lot and produces a lot of noise compared to other laptops IMO.
- smoldesu 5y agoIt's a shame ARM isn't quite a first-class desktop architecture quite yet. I'd probably use one if my software ran on it. Otherwise, I figure in 10-15 years, when it is "fully featured," the architecture will have already been usurped by RISC-V.
- Joeri 5y agoSame here. I went from a thinkpad to an m1 air, and although the noise wasn’t something that bothered me before, I do appreciate its absence now. The battery life also is a big draw. I can go to the office without a charger, and it’s not a problem. I’ve never had a laptop that made it past half a workday.
- deadmutex 5y agoEhn.. I used to be like you. Once I used Pixelbook, a superthin fanless device, I was in awe. Pixelbook Go was similar fanless device as well. But, then I realized that they have their limitations. With a fan, one can achieve much better performance when needed. So, now, I prefer a laptop that can passively cool for normal day to day work, and then for heavy workloads take advantage of the fan. I got the framework laptop, which should be able to push the intel chip to the max 28 TDP. I heard the fan is big, and thus not annoying. I am curious to see how it will turn out (My batch 3 order gets delivered tomorrow).
- collinvandyck76 5y agoYeah I guess I don't have a ton of experience here outside of mac laptops, but the idea of a PC laptop that only kicks in the fans when truly intensive tasks are being run sounds pretty nice. My experience has mostly been that when any work is being done, the fans spin up. It's jarring when you're trying to focus on the problem at hand.
- deadmutex 5y agoSome PCs let you configure the fan curves. I have never done that though.
- mhitza 5y agoYou need to find your fan rpm/noise threshold. On my laptop the fan becomes noticeable above 2500rpm. Someone commented about adjusting the fan curve (I have no idea how), I just manually capped the CPU performance with a powersave profile instead.
- kzrdude 5y agoYou're right about cooling for intel/amd, with the note that the M1 is a whole different beast - it can deliver good performance with only passive cooling anyway
- soperj 5y agoYep. At this point in time it's the only choice.
- fsflover 5y agoYou cannot neutralize and disable the PSP spying module in AMD processors, while in Intel ones you can do that with ME: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine#Assertions_that_ME_is_a_backdoor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine#Assert....
- smoldesu 5y agoAs much as I love speculating about backdoors and NSA wiretapping, I seriously doubt these MEs are malicious. At this point, managing a modern x86 is tough work, especially if you want to run virtualization, complex threading and maintain high efficiency. It makes total sense that there are mandatory supervisor chips at this point, and without any evidence that these chips are "phoning home," I simply have to assume that it's purpose is virtualized KVM for remote management. Worst case scenario, the CIA wakes up my laptop while I'm asleep, big whoop.
- jjice 5y agoI may be mistaken, but I believe that's something that's currently in the works (fingers crossed). Or it's at least very requested by users.
- lawn 5y agoSame here.
- reginold 5y agoCheck out the System76 AMD Pangolin. System76 has many values in common with Framework. https://system76.com/laptops/pangolin https://system76.com/laptops/pangolin
- sedatk 5y agoThe display is very disappointing apparently: https://old.reddit.com/r/System76/comments/m7cujq/pangolin_screen_brightness/ https://old.reddit.com/r/System76/comments/m7cujq/pangolin_s...
- brodock 5y agoWhile I would prefer AMD here, because it's Intel, you get Thunderbolt for free
- schmorptron 5y agoHopefully the next gen Ryzens will support USB4 which is basically Thunderbolt 3 without the brand name.
- fckinghn 5y agoI bought a TUXEDO Pulse 15. Very fast CPU, really low price and OK build quality. EDIT: did I said something wrong? -2 votes already.