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I just flat out dont believe this at all. Certain areas of the internet are increasingly censored, but its never been easier to find a group of like minded peop

I just flat out dont believe this at all. Certain areas of the internet are increasingly censored, but its never been easier to find a group of like minded people. All of these articles about FB/Google/Nation States and the like that are killing the internet are really just click bait. You cant stop the free use of technology, nothing will. Just recently I have been astounded by the amount of useful high quality open source software. The world is OPEN

CountDrewku 5y ago
Take a poll of users on here. I guarantee you that 90%+ of them want all those places you listed censored as well. There's a cultural shift to shut down dissenting opinions and provide places where only like minded people associate. This is inherently bad for everyone. You don't change anyone's opinion with segregation. You just enforce their current stances.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  Maybe you ought to actually take that poll before you guarantee the results...
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
    You can look at the comments on this post and the downvotes I received just for saying it. EVERYTIME I mention something about this on hackernews I'm downvoted. The sentiment on here is obvious. How about this... prove me wrong. Post something about disagreement with COVID or Biden and see how it goes for you. You'll be lucky if you don't get flagged immediately.
    - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
      The downvotes don't prove that you're right. I downvoted you, not for saying that places are being censored, but for claiming that 90% of the people here supported the censorship. I don't think we do. You could be downvoted for two reasons: Either for claiming that we're pro-censorship when we're not, or for pointing out that we're pro-censorship when we are. My money is on the first reason.
      - CountDrewku 5y ago
        Oh ok so you get to make a claim and it's perfectly fine and I'm wrong to do so? I disagree, sorry it offends you (and obviously multiple others). Maybe open your eyes a bit and pay more attention to comments on posts on this site. Every article about social media censorship on this site is met with a plethora of ridiculous denials that it doesn't exist when any sane individual can see it clearly does. Either they're ignorant or they just agree with it. Maybe it's the former and I am wrong but my "money" is on the latter.
        AnimalMuppet 5y ago
        You can make a claim. I can make a claim. That's all fine. (Though evidence beats claims, but I'm not sure how either of us could find actual evidence, even in principle.) What you can't do (and I yell at a lot of others about this) is use downvotes as proof that you're right. They aren't proof, even that you're right about censorship. They just mean that people think that you're wrong, or that they think you're being a jerk. Or they can mean that people want to censor you. But if they mean that, they're kind of clueless, because at least some of us read with "showdead" turned on.
brink 5y ago
> Certain areas of the internet are increasingly censored That's the point of concern. You must think your views are immune to censorship.
commandlinefan 5y ago
> You cant stop the free use of technology Well... they're working hard to do so. While it's true right now that, if you don't like Facebook's censorship, you're free to start up your own site, that's only true right now. We saw that Amazon took down Twitter competitor Parler at the service provider level, and I really don't think it's a stretch to imagine "problematic" sites being brought down at the hosting or even routing layer (in fact, CloudFlare has been dipping its toe in that water for the sites that nobody wants to stand up for). So, no, I don't think your suggestion that you can't stop the free use of technology is correct; we're just not there quite yet.

CountDrewku 5y ago

Take a poll of users on here. I guarantee you that 90%+ of them want all those places you listed censored as well. There's a cultural shift to shut down dissenting opinions and provide places where only like minded people associate. This is inherently bad for everyone. You don't change anyone's opinion with segregation. You just enforce their current stances.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
Maybe you ought to actually take that poll before you guarantee the results...
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  You can look at the comments on this post and the downvotes I received just for saying it. EVERYTIME I mention something about this on hackernews I'm downvoted. The sentiment on here is obvious. How about this... prove me wrong. Post something about disagreement with COVID or Biden and see how it goes for you. You'll be lucky if you don't get flagged immediately.
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    The downvotes don't prove that you're right. I downvoted you, not for saying that places are being censored, but for claiming that 90% of the people here supported the censorship. I don't think we do. You could be downvoted for two reasons: Either for claiming that we're pro-censorship when we're not, or for pointing out that we're pro-censorship when we are. My money is on the first reason.
    - CountDrewku 5y ago
      Oh ok so you get to make a claim and it's perfectly fine and I'm wrong to do so? I disagree, sorry it offends you (and obviously multiple others). Maybe open your eyes a bit and pay more attention to comments on posts on this site. Every article about social media censorship on this site is met with a plethora of ridiculous denials that it doesn't exist when any sane individual can see it clearly does. Either they're ignorant or they just agree with it. Maybe it's the former and I am wrong but my "money" is on the latter.
      - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
        You can make a claim. I can make a claim. That's all fine. (Though evidence beats claims, but I'm not sure how either of us could find actual evidence, even in principle.) What you can't do (and I yell at a lot of others about this) is use downvotes as proof that you're right. They aren't proof, even that you're right about censorship. They just mean that people think that you're wrong, or that they think you're being a jerk. Or they can mean that people want to censor you. But if they mean that, they're kind of clueless, because at least some of us read with "showdead" turned on.

brink 5y ago

> Certain areas of the internet are increasingly censored That's the point of concern. You must think your views are immune to censorship.

commandlinefan 5y ago

> You cant stop the free use of technology Well... they're working hard to do so. While it's true right now that, if you don't like Facebook's censorship, you're free to start up your own site, that's only true right now. We saw that Amazon took down Twitter competitor Parler at the service provider level, and I really don't think it's a stretch to imagine "problematic" sites being brought down at the hosting or even routing layer (in fact, CloudFlare has been dipping its toe in that water for the sites that nobody wants to stand up for). So, no, I don't think your suggestion that you can't stop the free use of technology is correct; we're just not there quite yet.