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Fair enough. My issue was you saying Islam doesn't consider other religions infidels. In a thread about a book which has 90% content ranting endlessly against

Fair enough. My issue was you saying Islam doesn't consider other religions infidels. In a thread about a book which has 90% content ranting endlessly against infidels and cursing them (I'd know, I've read the entire 600 pages at least 10 times). But as you rightly say majority doesn't take that literally. Your flamewar accusation is nonsense.

trutannus 5y ago
> My issue was you saying Islam doesn't consider other religions infidels I see the disconnect. I agree that they say everyone else are infidels, however there's some infidels who are more acceptable than others. My understanding has always been that the sentiment is a lot closer to "these infidels are so close to the truth!". Or, at least, close enough to allow marriage and coexistence. This point was intended to counter the comment that religions say others unilaterally wrong. In this case, there's some acceptance that the others are 'on the right track'.
omarfarooq 5y ago
If you hold such high standards of truth (despite all of the unverifiable claims you made to bolster your case), then prove it. Take this Quran API and use the language analysis tools available today to prove to us that 90% of the content is rants 'endlessly against infidels and cursing them'. The outcome of that will also be telling of whether or not you're being truthful of your quantitative experience of the Quran. There's at least 6,236 verses of the Quran. Get tagging, make it an open source project, I'll contribute.
- zodiakzz 5y ago
  Sure but there are so many vastly different versions of Quran (because the author was illiterate and had to pass it on orally, over a period of 23 years) and paper was scarce back then. So no idea which one to start from. Open to suggestions.
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  - omarfarooq 5y ago
    > Sure but there are so many vastly different versions of Quran Since you seem to be acquainted, can you list them and tell us what makes them vastly different from each other? > (was illiterate and had to pass it on orally) What are your sources for the claim that the Prophet Muhammad was illiterate? He's described as al-Nabi al-Ummi [1], an "unlettered" Prophet, meaning unacquainted with the scriptures. Sahih al-Bukhari 114 describes the Prophet[2] as literate. [1]https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100220899 https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20... [2]https://sunnah.com/bukhari:114 https://sunnah.com/bukhari:114
  - omarfarooq 5y ago
    > So no idea which one to start from. As a follow up suggestion, why do you not start with the Quran you already read as per your statement: > (I'd know, I've read the entire 600 pages at least 10 times). Here you mentioned a singular Quran, ie. you were not impeded by "multiple versions" to come to your conclusion that 90% of the Quran is what you say it is... so you already know where to start.
    - zodiakzz 5y ago
      Relax, it's a 3 day old post. You're making hate comments against Christians while asserting they're your brothers. The irony is amusing.
      - omarfarooq 5y ago
        I never said they’re my brothers. And sure, weasel your way out. The real irony is the one accusing hate after himself spreading hate and falsehood, while not justifying or proving any of his claims. And as if pointing out polemical characteristics is the same as writing hate… Don’t bother with another response if you aren’t going to focus on backing up all that you’ve said. Of course, you and I both know you have no choice but to flee from this because there’s nothing for you to justify.

trutannus 5y ago

> My issue was you saying Islam doesn't consider other religions infidels I see the disconnect. I agree that they say everyone else are infidels, however there's some infidels who are more acceptable than others. My understanding has always been that the sentiment is a lot closer to "these infidels are so close to the truth!". Or, at least, close enough to allow marriage and coexistence. This point was intended to counter the comment that religions say others unilaterally wrong. In this case, there's some acceptance that the others are 'on the right track'.

omarfarooq 5y ago

If you hold such high standards of truth (despite all of the unverifiable claims you made to bolster your case), then prove it. Take this Quran API and use the language analysis tools available today to prove to us that 90% of the content is rants 'endlessly against infidels and cursing them'. The outcome of that will also be telling of whether or not you're being truthful of your quantitative experience of the Quran. There's at least 6,236 verses of the Quran. Get tagging, make it an open source project, I'll contribute.

zodiakzz 5y ago
Sure but there are so many vastly different versions of Quran (because the author was illiterate and had to pass it on orally, over a period of 23 years) and paper was scarce back then. So no idea which one to start from. Open to suggestions.
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- omarfarooq 5y ago
  > Sure but there are so many vastly different versions of Quran Since you seem to be acquainted, can you list them and tell us what makes them vastly different from each other? > (was illiterate and had to pass it on orally) What are your sources for the claim that the Prophet Muhammad was illiterate? He's described as al-Nabi al-Ummi [1], an "unlettered" Prophet, meaning unacquainted with the scriptures. Sahih al-Bukhari 114 describes the Prophet[2] as literate. [1]https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100220899 https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20... [2]https://sunnah.com/bukhari:114 https://sunnah.com/bukhari:114
- omarfarooq 5y ago
  > So no idea which one to start from. As a follow up suggestion, why do you not start with the Quran you already read as per your statement: > (I'd know, I've read the entire 600 pages at least 10 times). Here you mentioned a singular Quran, ie. you were not impeded by "multiple versions" to come to your conclusion that 90% of the Quran is what you say it is... so you already know where to start.
  - zodiakzz 5y ago
    Relax, it's a 3 day old post. You're making hate comments against Christians while asserting they're your brothers. The irony is amusing.
    - omarfarooq 5y ago
      I never said they’re my brothers. And sure, weasel your way out. The real irony is the one accusing hate after himself spreading hate and falsehood, while not justifying or proving any of his claims. And as if pointing out polemical characteristics is the same as writing hate… Don’t bother with another response if you aren’t going to focus on backing up all that you’ve said. Of course, you and I both know you have no choice but to flee from this because there’s nothing for you to justify.