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Natural antibodies seem to last longer, based on the current research. My simple algorithm is: P(long-term damage | short observation window) = non negligible
by madman2890 5y ago
Natural antibodies seem to last longer, based on the current research. My simple algorithm is:
P(long-term damage | short observation window) = non negligible
P(death | previous infection, age (30), healthy, etc.) = incredibly low
P(vaccine worth it | aforementioned) = low
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/928365 https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/928365
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...
- nojito 5y agoChance of death/severe illness between vaccinated and unvaccinated populations makes that type of decision making meaningless.
- madman2890 5y agoVaccinated vs. unvaccinated is an incomplete comparison. It's: vaccinated vs. unvaccinated & previously uninfected vs. unvaccinated & previously infected.
- nojito 5y agoIt's not an incomplete comparison. Giving any support to the middle group runs the risk of individuals who need to be vaccinated to not get vaccinated.
- madman2890 5y agohttps://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-im...
- myko 5y agoBad idea https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr... “If you have had COVID-19 before, please still get vaccinated,” said CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky. “This study shows you are twice as likely to get infected again if you are unvaccinated. Getting the vaccine is the best way to protect yourself and others around you, especially as the more contagious Delta variant spreads around the country.”
- madman2890 5y agoIs it? You seem to be conveniently choosing your data providers. The study out of Israel showed prior infection provides 13X increase in protection over vaccination. Unfortunately, the data aren't clear. What is clear, however, is young people with antibodies (either through vaccination or prior infection) don't need to live in fear. "SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well." https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...
- myko 5y agoThe data is clear though, that's the point of the study I linked. There's more data coming out supporting getting vaccinated even with a prior infection: https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-i... It is also just logical that vaccination + natural immunity is better than one or the other.
- madman2890 5y agohttps://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-im...
- myko 5y agoI'm not sure why I'm being downvoted for posting the truth, but your article does not refute anything I stated or what the article I posted states. They could both be true. It's better to be vaccinated and have natural immunity than one or the other. BTW, the WaPo opinion piece you linked is out of date based on the numbers: https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-i...