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Highly religious people like Mormons and Amish have 3 kids on average, same for highly religious societies in Africa and Asia. Fun times ahead. Ironically from

Highly religious people like Mormons and Amish have 3 kids on average, same for highly religious societies in Africa and Asia. Fun times ahead. Ironically from a darwinian point of view religion is a great adaptation for fitness

tincholio 5y ago
Reminds me of the intro to Idiocracy...
4asnarkycomment 5y ago
Or non-religion is a precursor to the kind of moral weakness that stunts a natural desire to reproduce? Maybe those who believe they are bringing souls into the world, rather than bags of meat and water, tend to have a more positive outlook on having children? Maybe those with no religion let the media's doomsday climate change scenarios become their version of Revelation?
- jarpschop 5y ago
  The difference with revelation is that climate change is real. It is happening and will continue to happen.
  - 4asnarkycomment 5y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decian_persecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decian_persecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocletianic_Persecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocletianic_Persecution The iniquity talked about in Revelation has occured, occurs currently, and will continue to occur. Revelation has predicted more about human nature and the nature of government than climate change scientists could ever hope to.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  > Maybe those who believe they are bringing souls into the world, rather than bags of meat and water, tend to have a more positive outlook on having children? I think it is more likely that following religions where you can only have sex in the context of attempted procreation leads to more children.
  - 4asnarkycomment 5y ago
    And isn't it a sign of moral strength to withhold yourself until marriage?
- thatguy0900 5y ago
  How is not having kids a moral weakness?
  - castlecrasher2 5y ago
    How is it not? The matter is obviously a personal choice and there are certainly exceptions, but in my opinion raising the next generation is the most important thing one can do, and willfully ignoring it is selfish.
  - 4asnarkycomment 5y ago
    If you read my comment, I didn't say not having kids itself is a moral weakness. I said that moral weakness leads to a lack of desire to reproduce.
    - thatguy0900 5y ago
      I don't see how that follows, either,to be honest. There is no shortage of immoral parents
      - 4asnarkycomment 5y ago
        You're thinking in odd absolutes. I would call strawman but I think you're doing it in good faith anyways
        thatguy0900 5y ago
        You are asserting that moral weakness leads to a lack of children, with no exanation. I said that I don't see how that follows, and plenty of morally weak people have children. I don't see how I'm attacking a strawman by giving a counter example, you've given no reasoning for your statement
rsj_hn 5y ago
Healthy attitudes are the ones that promote life and human flourishing, period. By definition, nature always purges unhealthy attitudes from the gene pool. And the biggest threat to health in the modern era is not global warming, but people becoming hysterically moralistic about what are complex issues that we have little understanding of. Every purchase, every job, every interaction is judged on some creepy moralistic lense by those who would make the Spanish inquisition look nuanced in contrast to their own nursery-rhyme fanaticism. Some have become so absolutely certain of their own self-righteous stance to the point of sabotaging themselves and removing themselves from the gene pool. Thank goodness we will be rid of these attitudes in a few generations, and through no violence on the part of the sane. We can simply let them line up and drink the koolaid while the rest of us go about our pragmatic lives, living humbly in understanding that we don't really know what is right or wrong unless it has been proven to promote human flourishing over hundreds of generations. Everything else is speculative and prone to error. Note that this is not to say people shouldn't be concerned, from a technical or engineering point of view, with various problems facing us, but when you cross the line to turning everything into a hysterical moral stance, that's when knowledge turns into blind faith and becomes toxic.

tincholio 5y ago

Reminds me of the intro to Idiocracy...

4asnarkycomment 5y ago

Or non-religion is a precursor to the kind of moral weakness that stunts a natural desire to reproduce? Maybe those who believe they are bringing souls into the world, rather than bags of meat and water, tend to have a more positive outlook on having children? Maybe those with no religion let the media's doomsday climate change scenarios become their version of Revelation?

jarpschop 5y ago
The difference with revelation is that climate change is real. It is happening and will continue to happen.
- 4asnarkycomment 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decian_persecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decian_persecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocletianic_Persecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocletianic_Persecution The iniquity talked about in Revelation has occured, occurs currently, and will continue to occur. Revelation has predicted more about human nature and the nature of government than climate change scientists could ever hope to.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
> Maybe those who believe they are bringing souls into the world, rather than bags of meat and water, tend to have a more positive outlook on having children? I think it is more likely that following religions where you can only have sex in the context of attempted procreation leads to more children.
- 4asnarkycomment 5y ago
  And isn't it a sign of moral strength to withhold yourself until marriage?
thatguy0900 5y ago
How is not having kids a moral weakness?
- castlecrasher2 5y ago
  How is it not? The matter is obviously a personal choice and there are certainly exceptions, but in my opinion raising the next generation is the most important thing one can do, and willfully ignoring it is selfish.
- 4asnarkycomment 5y ago
  If you read my comment, I didn't say not having kids itself is a moral weakness. I said that moral weakness leads to a lack of desire to reproduce.
  - thatguy0900 5y ago
    I don't see how that follows, either,to be honest. There is no shortage of immoral parents
    - 4asnarkycomment 5y ago
      You're thinking in odd absolutes. I would call strawman but I think you're doing it in good faith anyways
      - thatguy0900 5y ago
        You are asserting that moral weakness leads to a lack of children, with no exanation. I said that I don't see how that follows, and plenty of morally weak people have children. I don't see how I'm attacking a strawman by giving a counter example, you've given no reasoning for your statement

rsj_hn 5y ago

Healthy attitudes are the ones that promote life and human flourishing, period. By definition, nature always purges unhealthy attitudes from the gene pool. And the biggest threat to health in the modern era is not global warming, but people becoming hysterically moralistic about what are complex issues that we have little understanding of. Every purchase, every job, every interaction is judged on some creepy moralistic lense by those who would make the Spanish inquisition look nuanced in contrast to their own nursery-rhyme fanaticism. Some have become so absolutely certain of their own self-righteous stance to the point of sabotaging themselves and removing themselves from the gene pool. Thank goodness we will be rid of these attitudes in a few generations, and through no violence on the part of the sane. We can simply let them line up and drink the koolaid while the rest of us go about our pragmatic lives, living humbly in understanding that we don't really know what is right or wrong unless it has been proven to promote human flourishing over hundreds of generations. Everything else is speculative and prone to error. Note that this is not to say people shouldn't be concerned, from a technical or engineering point of view, with various problems facing us, but when you cross the line to turning everything into a hysterical moral stance, that's when knowledge turns into blind faith and becomes toxic.