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I really don't think it's okay. I've noticed this type of "tech reactionarism" a lot recently in open source as a form of wishful thinking. This author in parti

I really don't think it's okay. I've noticed this type of "tech reactionarism" a lot recently in open source as a form of wishful thinking. This author in particular seems to write about it quite a lot. But it's misleading and not being fair to the users, who deserve to know that what they're doing is a waste of time. Unless someone wants to pull out the old teletype and modem connected to a phone line then we can't go back to the olden days. And honestly, nobody wants to do that in 2021.

alexwennerberg 5y ago
> what they're doing is a waste of time. I fundamentally disagree here. There are ways that people waste their time on the web that are far more pernicious than "learning how to write gemtext markup" The web is in a seriously messed up state, and in many ways, things are getting worse. I think it's far more dangerous to shrug our shoulders and just let things continue as they are than to work on projects that attempt to present an alternative.
- BrightGlow 5y ago
  I don't see how you're disagreeing, you seem to acknowledge that it is a waste of time. And I don't see how any one of these is more pernicious than another, there can be bad actors, cyberstalkers, scammers, criminals everywhere on the net including on gemini. Edit: A point I'd like to make here is that Gemini is not an alternative web and never will be, according to the designer's own statements. I share your frustration with some of the modern aspects of the web but the web also does a lot of things right that we may take for granted, let's not be so cynical as to forget that. I'm guilty of it myself in the past but no longer, and part of it was because people misled me.
savolai 5y ago
Yeah, depends on the direction from which you look at "okay" from. Arguably there are worse things in society than techies making tech for themselves. Ironically though ... , to me it seems that Gemini and Facebook, though culturally presented as opposites here, are really fruits of the same tree, just different gardens and different stages of growth.

alexwennerberg 5y ago

> what they're doing is a waste of time. I fundamentally disagree here. There are ways that people waste their time on the web that are far more pernicious than "learning how to write gemtext markup" The web is in a seriously messed up state, and in many ways, things are getting worse. I think it's far more dangerous to shrug our shoulders and just let things continue as they are than to work on projects that attempt to present an alternative.

BrightGlow 5y ago
I don't see how you're disagreeing, you seem to acknowledge that it is a waste of time. And I don't see how any one of these is more pernicious than another, there can be bad actors, cyberstalkers, scammers, criminals everywhere on the net including on gemini. Edit: A point I'd like to make here is that Gemini is not an alternative web and never will be, according to the designer's own statements. I share your frustration with some of the modern aspects of the web but the web also does a lot of things right that we may take for granted, let's not be so cynical as to forget that. I'm guilty of it myself in the past but no longer, and part of it was because people misled me.

savolai 5y ago

Yeah, depends on the direction from which you look at "okay" from. Arguably there are worse things in society than techies making tech for themselves. Ironically though ... , to me it seems that Gemini and Facebook, though culturally presented as opposites here, are really fruits of the same tree, just different gardens and different stages of growth.