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I wouldn't know if "serious practitioner" is an absurdly narrow qualifier because it's vague and slippery. "What's that, your church doesn't do any of that? Wel
by themacguffinman 5y ago
I wouldn't know if "serious practitioner" is an absurdly narrow qualifier because it's vague and slippery. "What's that, your church doesn't do any of that? Well, that's because they're not serious practitioners".
Granted, the GP didn't actually respond with that (AFAICT they haven't responded at all) which is why I agree that it's not quite the "No True Scotsman fallacy", but that is precisely the weasel wording that sets one up. Hence, a No True Scotsman qualifier, a qualifier that preempts any counterexample to this elaborate description of what religion is really about.
Restricting a definition doesn't eliminate a No True Scotsman, that has nothing to do with it. The foundation of No True Scotsman is a vague and slippery definition. Just like no true Scotsman can disagree with my theoretical description of what Scots do, no serious practitioner can disagree with GP's description of religion. It's about falsifiability.
- nickff 5y ago"No True Scotsman" is usually (as in Wikipedia) defined as initially providing a very broad statement, then qualifying it narrowly when the statement is demonstrated to be false. The top-level commenter (TLC) did nothing of the sort. The TLC didn't use "weasel wording" either, which are vague and unverifiable statements. On the contrary, the TLC was very specific, perhaps unreasonably so.
- themacguffinman 5y ago"serious practitioner" is not specific or verifiable in the slightest. I suppose there's not much more to be said if we can't agree on that.