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Well, to take the example here of Islam, that's not entirely correct. In Islam, those who are following Judaeo-Christian belief systems are considered 'brothers

Well, to take the example here of Islam, that's not entirely correct. In Islam, those who are following Judaeo-Christian belief systems are considered 'brothers of the book' (or something to that effect). The worst that some sects believe is that they are 'well meaning, but not aware of the truth of Mohamed'. I'm specifically not talking about radical Jihadist sects, but the more 'middle of the road' Muslims who are closer to the average church going American than an Al-Qaeda member.

icemelt8 5y ago
"People of The Book" Jesus is the most named person in Quran, along with Mary.
omarfarooq 5y ago
Ahlul-Kitab or People of the Book.
zodiakzz 5y ago
We are talking about the Quran here right? I'm not so sure about the brotherly part. https://quranx.com/5.82?Context=3 https://quranx.com/5.82?Context=3 > Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. https://quranx.com/2.65?Context=3 https://quranx.com/2.65?Context=3 > And ye know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, how We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated! https://quranx.com/98.6?Context=3 https://quranx.com/98.6?Context=3 > Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. https://quranx.com/5.51?Context=3 https://quranx.com/5.51?Context=3 > O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. (I do support all efforts to make this publicly available.)
- trutannus 5y ago
  We're not talking about the Quran, we're discussing Islam. You're making pretty common error I see made in the Atheism world, where you're conflating the content of a holy text with the practice of a religion. I'm neither Muslim, nor any religion myself, but there's no sense in taking such a reductive approach. Yes, you can mine around pretty much any holy book and produce quotes that say anything. If I recall, the bible has some passage about rabbits 'chewing the cud', as well as other absurdities. You'll find no recognized denominational Christian who practices rules derived from this though. In fact, you will notice practice even dictated by the Vatican deviates from the content of the Bible frequently as well. In Islam, the practice I'm talking about is accepted to the point of being codified in their marriage law: https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2002.02.0003%3Asura%3D60%3Averse%3D10 https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext... Section specifically allows marriage to unbelievers. Islamic scholars have expanded this into practice which allows marriage between People of the Book.
  - zodiakzz 5y ago
    I'm a former devout Muslim writing this from Islamabad. I have personally witnessed the sheer hatred and violence perpetrated against Christians led by the verses I quoted. So don't teach me about Islam thank you.
    - racehouse 5y ago
      You've also linked to a Christian proselytizing blog above. Please don't claim your background represents all Muslims or even Muslims in Islamabad. Signed another Muslim.
      - omarfarooq 5y ago
        It is common among the digital Christian proselytizing community to pretend to be ex-Muslims.
    - trutannus 5y ago
      A large portion of my family is Muslim. Many people very close to me are. Your experience does not represent every experience there is. Again, I specifically called attention to how I'm discussing the common majority of Islamic followers. You're discussing a subset which deviates from the average by a large margin. You're also discussing this in a nation known for being a hotbed of extremism. The Taliban were formed in Pakistan, so it's no surprise that there's extremists there.

icemelt8 5y ago

"People of The Book" Jesus is the most named person in Quran, along with Mary.

omarfarooq 5y ago

Ahlul-Kitab or People of the Book.

zodiakzz 5y ago

We are talking about the Quran here right? I'm not so sure about the brotherly part. https://quranx.com/5.82?Context=3 https://quranx.com/5.82?Context=3 > Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. https://quranx.com/2.65?Context=3 https://quranx.com/2.65?Context=3 > And ye know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, how We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated! https://quranx.com/98.6?Context=3 https://quranx.com/98.6?Context=3 > Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. https://quranx.com/5.51?Context=3 https://quranx.com/5.51?Context=3 > O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. (I do support all efforts to make this publicly available.)

trutannus 5y ago
We're not talking about the Quran, we're discussing Islam. You're making pretty common error I see made in the Atheism world, where you're conflating the content of a holy text with the practice of a religion. I'm neither Muslim, nor any religion myself, but there's no sense in taking such a reductive approach. Yes, you can mine around pretty much any holy book and produce quotes that say anything. If I recall, the bible has some passage about rabbits 'chewing the cud', as well as other absurdities. You'll find no recognized denominational Christian who practices rules derived from this though. In fact, you will notice practice even dictated by the Vatican deviates from the content of the Bible frequently as well. In Islam, the practice I'm talking about is accepted to the point of being codified in their marriage law: https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2002.02.0003%3Asura%3D60%3Averse%3D10 https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext... Section specifically allows marriage to unbelievers. Islamic scholars have expanded this into practice which allows marriage between People of the Book.
- zodiakzz 5y ago
  I'm a former devout Muslim writing this from Islamabad. I have personally witnessed the sheer hatred and violence perpetrated against Christians led by the verses I quoted. So don't teach me about Islam thank you.
  - racehouse 5y ago
    You've also linked to a Christian proselytizing blog above. Please don't claim your background represents all Muslims or even Muslims in Islamabad. Signed another Muslim.
    - omarfarooq 5y ago
      It is common among the digital Christian proselytizing community to pretend to be ex-Muslims.
  - trutannus 5y ago
    A large portion of my family is Muslim. Many people very close to me are. Your experience does not represent every experience there is. Again, I specifically called attention to how I'm discussing the common majority of Islamic followers. You're discussing a subset which deviates from the average by a large margin. You're also discussing this in a nation known for being a hotbed of extremism. The Taliban were formed in Pakistan, so it's no surprise that there's extremists there.