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What’s interesting is the fact that telemetry is a feature at this point (how old is Windows 10?) and you can’t win a fight against a core OS feature. Why are p

What’s interesting is the fact that telemetry is a feature at this point (how old is Windows 10?) and you can’t win a fight against a core OS feature. Why are people still trying to fight this?

trangus_1985 5y ago
You've always been able to turn it off with group policy and disabling the reporting service. It still bugs me, on principle, that you can't easily disable it even on the Pro edition.
- hypothesis 5y ago
  That’s like trying to disable all those similar things in Firefox. But you can’t really, not unless you stop updating it, because you’ll miss something at some point. And that’s not even an ‘evil corp’ we’re talking here.
  - trangus_1985 5y ago
    I've had it disabled for years, without it reporting home. So far, Microsoft seems to respect group policy and disabled services on Pro edition.
    - gruez 5y ago
      >So far, Microsoft seems to respect group policy on Pro edition the group policy description explicitly says it does not respect it unless you're using enterprise or education. > [...] >If you enable this setting, you can decide what level of diagnostic data to send to Microsoft, including: >- 0 (Security). Sends only a minimal amount of data to Microsoft, required to help keep Windows secure. Windows security components, such as the Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT) and Windows Defender may send data to Microsoft at this level, if enabled. Setting a value of 0 applies to devices running Enterprise, Education, IoT, or Windows Server editions only. Setting a value of 0 for other editions is equivalent to setting a value of 1. >- 1 (Basic). Sends the same data as a value of 0, plus a very limited amount of diagnostic data, such as basic device info, quality-related data, and app compatibility info. Note that setting values of 0 or 1 will degrade certain experiences on the device. > [...] Disabling the relevant service might stop it regardless, but it's definitely not the group policy.
hammyhavoc 5y ago
Because a lot of people are forced to use Windows 10 and for whatever reason cannot use a Linux distro even with Looking Glass?
- hypothesis 5y ago
  Are we talking about ‘at work’ scenario? Which is probably fine, because that’s a business decision. It would be prudent not to use company equipment for anything personal anyway.
  - type0 5y ago
    I would rather use Red Star OS, at least that's based on Linux
  - hammyhavoc 5y ago
    We are talking both in-person enterprise, remote working, and even hobbies. Lots of music production hardware won't work in Linux as there aren't the drivers.
    - hypothesis 5y ago
      For hobbies and even general PC hardware, there are definitely companies out there that are hostile towards Linux. When possible, vote with your money towards better alternatives. As for remoting, rdp-ing from linux is a solved issue, as long as VPN is not too esoteric… at which point driver compatibility is not an issue anymore. That’s Looking Glass scenario for me :)
      - hammyhavoc 5y ago
        Not disagreeing, but sometimes there is quite literally no alternative, especially in the CAM space.
blibble 5y ago
I like Windows 10 it having un-disablable telemetry and mandatory updates finally made me switch to Linux everywhere otherwise it's no longer My Computer... it's Satya's

What’s interesting is the fact that telemetry is a feature at this point (how old is Windows 10?) and you can’t win a fight against a core OS feature. Why are people still trying to fight this?

trangus_1985 5y ago

You've always been able to turn it off with group policy and disabling the reporting service. It still bugs me, on principle, that you can't easily disable it even on the Pro edition.

hypothesis 5y ago
That’s like trying to disable all those similar things in Firefox. But you can’t really, not unless you stop updating it, because you’ll miss something at some point. And that’s not even an ‘evil corp’ we’re talking here.
- trangus_1985 5y ago
  I've had it disabled for years, without it reporting home. So far, Microsoft seems to respect group policy and disabled services on Pro edition.
  - gruez 5y ago
    >So far, Microsoft seems to respect group policy on Pro edition the group policy description explicitly says it does not respect it unless you're using enterprise or education. > [...] >If you enable this setting, you can decide what level of diagnostic data to send to Microsoft, including: >- 0 (Security). Sends only a minimal amount of data to Microsoft, required to help keep Windows secure. Windows security components, such as the Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT) and Windows Defender may send data to Microsoft at this level, if enabled. Setting a value of 0 applies to devices running Enterprise, Education, IoT, or Windows Server editions only. Setting a value of 0 for other editions is equivalent to setting a value of 1. >- 1 (Basic). Sends the same data as a value of 0, plus a very limited amount of diagnostic data, such as basic device info, quality-related data, and app compatibility info. Note that setting values of 0 or 1 will degrade certain experiences on the device. > [...] Disabling the relevant service might stop it regardless, but it's definitely not the group policy.

hammyhavoc 5y ago

Because a lot of people are forced to use Windows 10 and for whatever reason cannot use a Linux distro even with Looking Glass?

hypothesis 5y ago
Are we talking about ‘at work’ scenario? Which is probably fine, because that’s a business decision. It would be prudent not to use company equipment for anything personal anyway.
- type0 5y ago
  I would rather use Red Star OS, at least that's based on Linux
- hammyhavoc 5y ago
  We are talking both in-person enterprise, remote working, and even hobbies. Lots of music production hardware won't work in Linux as there aren't the drivers.
  - hypothesis 5y ago
    For hobbies and even general PC hardware, there are definitely companies out there that are hostile towards Linux. When possible, vote with your money towards better alternatives. As for remoting, rdp-ing from linux is a solved issue, as long as VPN is not too esoteric… at which point driver compatibility is not an issue anymore. That’s Looking Glass scenario for me :)
    - hammyhavoc 5y ago
      Not disagreeing, but sometimes there is quite literally no alternative, especially in the CAM space.

blibble 5y ago

I like Windows 10 it having un-disablable telemetry and mandatory updates finally made me switch to Linux everywhere otherwise it's no longer My Computer... it's Satya's