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I too can make claims without any evidence.

yunohn 5y ago
The article we’re all commenting on is really good evidence. But here’s more: > A 1993 investigation by The Orlando Sentinel revealed that nine of every 10 motorists who were stopped and stripped of their cash by police in Volusia County, Florida, were either black or Hispanic, and three out of four were never charged with a crime. In Philadelphia, where nearly 300 houses are seized annually, African Americans make up 44% of the population but 63% of house seizures and 71% of cash forfeitures unaccompanied by a conviction. Forfeiture is also most likely to affect economically disadvantaged communities: One study found that areas with high income inequality were targeted for civil forfeiture operations, likely because these police departments have limited funding and are inclined to use forfeiture to secure needed revenue. source: https://www.splcenter.org/20171030/civil-asset-forfeiture-unfair-undemocratic-and-un-american https://www.splcenter.org/20171030/civil-asset-forfeiture-un...
- tomp 5y ago
  Have the race numbers been regressed against wealth/income? I'd reckon it's mostly just poor discrimination (i.e. people who can't afford a lawyer) rather than straight racism.
  - yunohn 5y ago
    “Indirect” racism is also racism. There may be a semantic difference, but no practical difference to the victims.
    - tomp 5y ago
      I disagree. Correct identification of root cause guides effective solutions. If you solve "indirect racism" just for one race, the rest of poor people are still screwed. If you solve the original cause (poverty), everyone is better off.
      - yunohn 5y ago
        Nirvana fallacy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy While it would be great if we could Solve Poverty (TM), I think reducing legalized theft of poor people’s assets would be a great first step. Nobody in this thread was arguing that we should solve it only for some races, rather that it does seem to affect them more often.
- dekken_ 5y ago
  I was more referring to the "criminals" part

The article we’re all commenting on is really good evidence. But here’s more: > A 1993 investigation by The Orlando Sentinel revealed that nine of every 10 motorists who were stopped and stripped of their cash by police in Volusia County, Florida, were either black or Hispanic, and three out of four were never charged with a crime. In Philadelphia, where nearly 300 houses are seized annually, African Americans make up 44% of the population but 63% of house seizures and 71% of cash forfeitures unaccompanied by a conviction. Forfeiture is also most likely to affect economically disadvantaged communities: One study found that areas with high income inequality were targeted for civil forfeiture operations, likely because these police departments have limited funding and are inclined to use forfeiture to secure needed revenue. source: https://www.splcenter.org/20171030/civil-asset-forfeiture-unfair-undemocratic-and-un-american https://www.splcenter.org/20171030/civil-asset-forfeiture-un...

tomp 5y ago
Have the race numbers been regressed against wealth/income? I'd reckon it's mostly just poor discrimination (i.e. people who can't afford a lawyer) rather than straight racism.
- yunohn 5y ago
  “Indirect” racism is also racism. There may be a semantic difference, but no practical difference to the victims.
  - tomp 5y ago
    I disagree. Correct identification of root cause guides effective solutions. If you solve "indirect racism" just for one race, the rest of poor people are still screwed. If you solve the original cause (poverty), everyone is better off.
    - yunohn 5y ago
      Nirvana fallacy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy While it would be great if we could Solve Poverty (TM), I think reducing legalized theft of poor people’s assets would be a great first step. Nobody in this thread was arguing that we should solve it only for some races, rather that it does seem to affect them more often.
dekken_ 5y ago
I was more referring to the "criminals" part