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Similarly, after civil asset forfeiture the #2 form of theft is wage theft. EDIT : I've been corrected by someone below - wage theft is the #1 form of theft, c

Similarly, after civil asset forfeiture the #2 form of theft is wage theft. EDIT : I've been corrected by someone below - wage theft is the #1 form of theft, civil asset forfeiture is #2

pope_meat 5y ago
But let's have a moral panic about the "organized gangs robbing Walgreens" instead, perhaps 67 news stories a day about it?
- Aerroon 5y ago
  Libertarians have been making noise about this issue for years/decades, but few people seem to care.
- twirlock 5y ago
  The organized gangs of wall greens don't carry guns and threaten to shoot people for noncompliance.
- d0gsg0w00f 5y ago
  If it's really that bad that problem will just solve itself: they'll just close all the stores.
- wearywanderer 5y ago
  We'll save the moral panic for when those businesses inevitably leave the neighborhood and create "food deserts". You know, after the damage is already done.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    They're not going to leave until it threatens their profit line, and even then others will grow to fill their place. Food deserts aren't and never were created by shoplifting.
    - wearywanderer 5y ago
      > They're not going to leave until it threatens their profit line, It does. > and even then others will grow to fill their place. Filling their place will be family operated corner shops that charge 3x as much. I have lived in such neighborhoods and seen it myself. You can't gaslight me sudosysgen.
      - sudosysgen 5y ago
        It will never do so - they will simply increase prices, and not by 3x. I'm not gaslighting you. There are many ways to make a grocery store for produce where people can't shoplift. Good luck stealing potatoes from a farmer's market. And they're not more expensive either. I live in such a neighborhood and I can see it.
joshAg 5y ago
I think you have those reversed. Wage theft is like $9.2 billion [1], and civil forfeiture is like $68 Billion total across 20 years [2] [1]: https://www.nelp.org/publication/forced-arbitration-cost-workers-in-low-paid-jobs-9-2-billion-in-stolen-wages-in-2019/ https://www.nelp.org/publication/forced-arbitration-cost-wor... [2]: https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit-3/ https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit-3/
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Huh, you're right. I'll try to correct my comment!

Similarly, after civil asset forfeiture the #2 form of theft is wage theft. EDIT : I've been corrected by someone below - wage theft is the #1 form of theft, civil asset forfeiture is #2

pope_meat 5y ago

But let's have a moral panic about the "organized gangs robbing Walgreens" instead, perhaps 67 news stories a day about it?

Aerroon 5y ago
Libertarians have been making noise about this issue for years/decades, but few people seem to care.
twirlock 5y ago
The organized gangs of wall greens don't carry guns and threaten to shoot people for noncompliance.
d0gsg0w00f 5y ago
If it's really that bad that problem will just solve itself: they'll just close all the stores.
wearywanderer 5y ago
We'll save the moral panic for when those businesses inevitably leave the neighborhood and create "food deserts". You know, after the damage is already done.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  They're not going to leave until it threatens their profit line, and even then others will grow to fill their place. Food deserts aren't and never were created by shoplifting.
  - wearywanderer 5y ago
    > They're not going to leave until it threatens their profit line, It does. > and even then others will grow to fill their place. Filling their place will be family operated corner shops that charge 3x as much. I have lived in such neighborhoods and seen it myself. You can't gaslight me sudosysgen.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      It will never do so - they will simply increase prices, and not by 3x. I'm not gaslighting you. There are many ways to make a grocery store for produce where people can't shoplift. Good luck stealing potatoes from a farmer's market. And they're not more expensive either. I live in such a neighborhood and I can see it.

joshAg 5y ago

I think you have those reversed. Wage theft is like $9.2 billion [1], and civil forfeiture is like $68 Billion total across 20 years [2] [1]: https://www.nelp.org/publication/forced-arbitration-cost-workers-in-low-paid-jobs-9-2-billion-in-stolen-wages-in-2019/ https://www.nelp.org/publication/forced-arbitration-cost-wor... [2]: https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit-3/ https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit-3/

sudosysgen 5y ago
Huh, you're right. I'll try to correct my comment!