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I'm betting we'll see a "Clickhouse Cloud" product announcement in the next 12 months. I'm curious to see if they can provide enough add-on value to their open

I'm betting we'll see a "Clickhouse Cloud" product announcement in the next 12 months. I'm curious to see if they can provide enough add-on value to their open source product to be profitable. But I'm certainly rooting for them!

ignoramous 5y ago
There's definitely market for a managed clickhouse 1p product. It remains to be seen if the product is substantial enough to challenge the incumbents. The engineering pedigree is ample. So that's already 50% of the way there. With money in the bank, it is all about how they suit it up with their sales and marketing. Interesting times ahead for them.
- polskibus 5y ago
  Yandex offers managed clickhouse : https://cloud.yandex.com/en/services/managed-clickhouse https://cloud.yandex.com/en/services/managed-clickhouse
  - ignoramous 5y ago
    To be clear, I meant 1p as in Confluent -> Kafka; not AWS -> Managed Kafka. Despite Yandex (who originally built Clickhouse) offering a managed solution, a substantial investment outlay from the VCs does come off as a huge vote of confidence in the founders.
- yigitkonur35 5y ago
  Aiven will offer a managed Clickhouse service too: https://landing.aiven.io/2020-upcoming-aiven-services-webinar/ https://landing.aiven.io/2020-upcoming-aiven-services-webina... And also Altinity is a trustable partner with a great know-how about Clickhouse internals. They have started to offer managed instances in AWS: https://altinity.com/altinity-cloud-test-drive/ https://altinity.com/altinity-cloud-test-drive/ At last, Alibaba Cloud has an option to use: https://www.alibabacloud.com/product/clickhouse https://www.alibabacloud.com/product/clickhouse Are there any other ones?
encoderer 5y ago
The only value they need to add is that you no longer need to run database clusters yourself. I would hope they don’t try to add any special paid features.
petr_tik 5y ago
worth keeping in mind that Yandex and russian technology companies in general are used to running lean and profitable operations so unfathomed in the land of 0% interest rates and VC money on tap. If they continue as they are now (15 people) and convert customers like Cloudflare into paying engagements, there is nothing stopping them from being profitable.
- pm90 5y ago
  How exactly do they get to operate that lean? It seems the most straightforward way is by paying employees less.
  - spyspy 5y ago
    No scrum masters, no in-house chef, few or no dedicated product managers, no middle manager(s) between eng and C-Suite.
    - vxNsr 5y ago
      So theoretically really just more work per dev and less compensation. I guess that makes sense.
  - hunterb123 5y ago
    Get out of the valley. One engineer can do a lot. Even in Texas we run slimmer. I'm the sole frontend dev. I created and maintain our iOS, Android, and Web app for a largish tech company. When you don't have VC money and you HAVE to profit, you really learn optimize the workflow.
    - ctvo 5y ago
      > One engineer can do a lot. Even in Texas we run slimmer. I'm the sole frontend dev. I created and maintain our iOS, Android, and Web app for a largish tech company. What do you mean by "do a lot". Can you deliver as quickly as a team? If so, do you work more hours or are you just better? If you're just better, why do you decide to stay with your largish tech company when we're acknowledging SV pays more? A remote role would increase your salary, no? Breaking this down: Russia has a great mathematics and engineering education system. Many graduates, unable to leave, take jobs with Russian tech companies. Russian tech companies pay less than US tech companies. That's why the situation may be as is with ClickHouse. You're not in Russia. Texas isn't particularly known for running lean. Every Big Tech has a presence in Austin. Dallas is filled with legacy financial companies burning money on IT.
nemo44x 5y ago
I'm guessing that's the entire purpose here. Build Snowflake with Clickhouse branding.

ignoramous 5y ago

There's definitely market for a managed clickhouse 1p product. It remains to be seen if the product is substantial enough to challenge the incumbents. The engineering pedigree is ample. So that's already 50% of the way there. With money in the bank, it is all about how they suit it up with their sales and marketing. Interesting times ahead for them.

polskibus 5y ago
Yandex offers managed clickhouse : https://cloud.yandex.com/en/services/managed-clickhouse https://cloud.yandex.com/en/services/managed-clickhouse
- ignoramous 5y ago
  To be clear, I meant 1p as in Confluent -> Kafka; not AWS -> Managed Kafka. Despite Yandex (who originally built Clickhouse) offering a managed solution, a substantial investment outlay from the VCs does come off as a huge vote of confidence in the founders.
yigitkonur35 5y ago
Aiven will offer a managed Clickhouse service too: https://landing.aiven.io/2020-upcoming-aiven-services-webinar/ https://landing.aiven.io/2020-upcoming-aiven-services-webina... And also Altinity is a trustable partner with a great know-how about Clickhouse internals. They have started to offer managed instances in AWS: https://altinity.com/altinity-cloud-test-drive/ https://altinity.com/altinity-cloud-test-drive/ At last, Alibaba Cloud has an option to use: https://www.alibabacloud.com/product/clickhouse https://www.alibabacloud.com/product/clickhouse Are there any other ones?

encoderer 5y ago

The only value they need to add is that you no longer need to run database clusters yourself. I would hope they don’t try to add any special paid features.

petr_tik 5y ago

worth keeping in mind that Yandex and russian technology companies in general are used to running lean and profitable operations so unfathomed in the land of 0% interest rates and VC money on tap. If they continue as they are now (15 people) and convert customers like Cloudflare into paying engagements, there is nothing stopping them from being profitable.

pm90 5y ago
How exactly do they get to operate that lean? It seems the most straightforward way is by paying employees less.
- spyspy 5y ago
  No scrum masters, no in-house chef, few or no dedicated product managers, no middle manager(s) between eng and C-Suite.
  - vxNsr 5y ago
    So theoretically really just more work per dev and less compensation. I guess that makes sense.
- hunterb123 5y ago
  Get out of the valley. One engineer can do a lot. Even in Texas we run slimmer. I'm the sole frontend dev. I created and maintain our iOS, Android, and Web app for a largish tech company. When you don't have VC money and you HAVE to profit, you really learn optimize the workflow.
  - ctvo 5y ago
    > One engineer can do a lot. Even in Texas we run slimmer. I'm the sole frontend dev. I created and maintain our iOS, Android, and Web app for a largish tech company. What do you mean by "do a lot". Can you deliver as quickly as a team? If so, do you work more hours or are you just better? If you're just better, why do you decide to stay with your largish tech company when we're acknowledging SV pays more? A remote role would increase your salary, no? Breaking this down: Russia has a great mathematics and engineering education system. Many graduates, unable to leave, take jobs with Russian tech companies. Russian tech companies pay less than US tech companies. That's why the situation may be as is with ClickHouse. You're not in Russia. Texas isn't particularly known for running lean. Every Big Tech has a presence in Austin. Dallas is filled with legacy financial companies burning money on IT.

nemo44x 5y ago

I'm guessing that's the entire purpose here. Build Snowflake with Clickhouse branding.