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Not sure if parent is being sarcastic or what, but their Politifact link says that _warrantless_ search and seizure is not allowed - which is correct - but the

Not sure if parent is being sarcastic or what, but their Politifact link says that _warrantless_ search and seizure is not allowed - which is correct - but the article here clearly states that warrants were obtained before the search/seizure was conducted (although the agents apparently exceeded the parameters of those warrants, which is a different issue).

infogulch 5y ago
I feel like "exceeding the parameters of the search warrant" is the same thing as a warrantless search.
- trhway 5y ago
  [IANAL] i think there is the "in plain view" exception. So, if say the box accidentally fell and opened (or it made sound like there is a ton of illegal cash inside), its content becomes fair game. Without observers the police can open and close a lot of boxes and declare the accident only on the ones which have interesting content. >The FBI also said a dog had smelled unspecified drugs on Ruiz’s cash. that works too. Especially given that most, or something like this, cash in US has traces of drugs on it.
  - jasonjayr 5y ago
    If you see a pile of cash, in a bank, in a safe deposit box that's not the one you're authorized to be in, how can you tell it's illegal?
    - trhway 5y ago
      My understanding that in US any significant amount of cash is illegal until proven otherwise - i.e. the cash itself is basically "probable cause", and there is no effective legal machinery to prevent an immediate seizure of the cash by law enforcement, and the only way to get it back is to prove its legality.
klyrs 5y ago
The article is pretty clear on that point: > In warrants authorizing the search and seizure of all “business equipment” at U.S. Private Vaults, U.S. Magistrate Steven Kim placed strict limits on the government, explicitly barring federal agents from searching the contents of each box for evidence of criminal wrongdoing.

infogulch 5y ago

I feel like "exceeding the parameters of the search warrant" is the same thing as a warrantless search.

trhway 5y ago
[IANAL] i think there is the "in plain view" exception. So, if say the box accidentally fell and opened (or it made sound like there is a ton of illegal cash inside), its content becomes fair game. Without observers the police can open and close a lot of boxes and declare the accident only on the ones which have interesting content. >The FBI also said a dog had smelled unspecified drugs on Ruiz’s cash. that works too. Especially given that most, or something like this, cash in US has traces of drugs on it.
- jasonjayr 5y ago
  If you see a pile of cash, in a bank, in a safe deposit box that's not the one you're authorized to be in, how can you tell it's illegal?
  - trhway 5y ago
    My understanding that in US any significant amount of cash is illegal until proven otherwise - i.e. the cash itself is basically "probable cause", and there is no effective legal machinery to prevent an immediate seizure of the cash by law enforcement, and the only way to get it back is to prove its legality.

klyrs 5y ago

The article is pretty clear on that point: > In warrants authorizing the search and seizure of all “business equipment” at U.S. Private Vaults, U.S. Magistrate Steven Kim placed strict limits on the government, explicitly barring federal agents from searching the contents of each box for evidence of criminal wrongdoing.