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It seems in the atheist world, post dawkins/harris/hitchens, we have had a huge increase in atheism. I approve. We seem to have lost something however(the opiu

It seems in the atheist world, post dawkins/harris/hitchens, we have had a huge increase in atheism. I approve. We seem to have lost something however(the opium). The now atheist folks seem to be constantly falling into or creating new religions. These atheists who gave up on christianity seem to be seeking for something. I think that religion has grasped onto something and dominated it. If you leave the church you end up losing that thing. What is that thing? Wokeism is a new religion deriving from Marxism. Even more interestingly, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."[5] Wokeism is often confused with being aware of unfairness of how others are treated. It's not that, it's about destroying the religious class but in doing so they themselves break that opium. Marx wanted to break the opium to reveal the corruption of classes, capitalism and exploitation. However, it's clear right now that Marx didn't understand what that opium actually was however. The removal of that opium seems to have destabilized the woke and empowered those they want to overthrow. Mind you, socialism died in 1989. The entire movement is dead right now, they are just giving it their last horrah.

bobthechef 5y ago
If you think the Catholic faith (or Christianity broadly) is opium, then you have not understood Catholicism. I blame modernism for selling a counterfeit that "feels good" in order to appeal to modern sensibilities and the false supreme virtue of being nice and palatable even at the cost of the truth. Any authentically educated Catholic knows that eternal damnation is exceedingly easy to achieve. All it takes is one unabsolved mortal sin to enter through the wide gate. If there ever was an opium, atheism is the closest you get to one. No ultimate justice means your sins are of no ultimate consequence. (This reminds me of Aldous Huxley's frank admission about why his generation was willing to destroy meaning, and it was to try to escape the guilt that would otherwise result from their program of sexual liberation. This is so common. Human pride will foolishly oppose truth and reason, deny things like human nature, the existence of God, and what is objectively good and objectively evil to satisfy some desire that's taken possession of a man. If reason tells you that some desire should not be satisfied, then reason be damned!) A Christian, on the other hand, awaits his final judgement. He awaits the making public of his every sin and believes that his fate shall be sealed by them and by the authenticity of his faith (trust). That kind of moral austerity is not exactly my idea of opium.
- sleepysysadmin 5y ago
  >If you think the Catholic faith (or Christianity broadly) is opium, then you have not understood Catholicism I was born into catholic religion and did catholic school. I understand catholicism far better than the average person. You're the one bringing catholicism up, I never brought it up. I would love to have a conversation to see how you see it in this context. So many of my friends are baptist/protestant, I must admit I have lost the catholic view. > I blame modernism for selling a counterfeit that "feels good" in order to appeal to modern sensibilities and the false supreme virtue of being nice and palatable even at the cost of the truth. Not really attacking your statement, i do agree. But isn't that catholicism? For 2000 years catholics believed pretty much one thing. They excommunicated a ton of people who wanted to make reasonable changes. Martin Luther just wanted to translate the bible. Ended up outside the catholic church, forming the Lutheran denomination and some pretty rough stances towards the jews which later evolved into World War 2. Then suddenly the last 20 years the popes at the time have made some serious modern changes to the religion. Who am I to say they cant or shouldnt change? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Womenpriests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Womenpriests autoexcomunicating ordained women? Then again I'm comparing this to Ajahn Brahm and ordaining buddhist monk women controversy. Why does religion have such a problem with women? >If there ever was an opium, atheism is the closest you get to one. No ultimate justice means your sins are of no ultimate consequence. I don't think I understand. In your words, what do you feel Karl Marx meant by opiate of the masses? > Human pride will foolishly oppose truth and reason, deny things like human nature, the existence of God, and what is objectively good and objectively evil to satisfy some desire that's taken possession of a man. If reason tells you that some desire should not be satisfied, then reason be damned!) Many religions certainly put sexual limitations on at least the clergy class. Buddhist monks certainly are not sexual, despite some abuses occurring. I think we are seeing what happens when sexual liberation and those limits fall. >A Christian, on the other hand, awaits his final judgement. He awaits the making public of his every sin and believes that his fate shall be sealed by them and by the authenticity of his faith (trust). That kind of moral austerity is not exactly my idea of opium. I dont know if I agree. The ability to not have to lock your front door because you lack the fear of dying to home robbers or something. That certainly soothes the mind. Obviously im only barely touching on the opiate. That's the thing, I'm even saying Karl Marx misunderstood, which is why Marxism ultimately fails.

bobthechef 5y ago

If you think the Catholic faith (or Christianity broadly) is opium, then you have not understood Catholicism. I blame modernism for selling a counterfeit that "feels good" in order to appeal to modern sensibilities and the false supreme virtue of being nice and palatable even at the cost of the truth. Any authentically educated Catholic knows that eternal damnation is exceedingly easy to achieve. All it takes is one unabsolved mortal sin to enter through the wide gate. If there ever was an opium, atheism is the closest you get to one. No ultimate justice means your sins are of no ultimate consequence. (This reminds me of Aldous Huxley's frank admission about why his generation was willing to destroy meaning, and it was to try to escape the guilt that would otherwise result from their program of sexual liberation. This is so common. Human pride will foolishly oppose truth and reason, deny things like human nature, the existence of God, and what is objectively good and objectively evil to satisfy some desire that's taken possession of a man. If reason tells you that some desire should not be satisfied, then reason be damned!) A Christian, on the other hand, awaits his final judgement. He awaits the making public of his every sin and believes that his fate shall be sealed by them and by the authenticity of his faith (trust). That kind of moral austerity is not exactly my idea of opium.

sleepysysadmin 5y ago
>If you think the Catholic faith (or Christianity broadly) is opium, then you have not understood Catholicism I was born into catholic religion and did catholic school. I understand catholicism far better than the average person. You're the one bringing catholicism up, I never brought it up. I would love to have a conversation to see how you see it in this context. So many of my friends are baptist/protestant, I must admit I have lost the catholic view. > I blame modernism for selling a counterfeit that "feels good" in order to appeal to modern sensibilities and the false supreme virtue of being nice and palatable even at the cost of the truth. Not really attacking your statement, i do agree. But isn't that catholicism? For 2000 years catholics believed pretty much one thing. They excommunicated a ton of people who wanted to make reasonable changes. Martin Luther just wanted to translate the bible. Ended up outside the catholic church, forming the Lutheran denomination and some pretty rough stances towards the jews which later evolved into World War 2. Then suddenly the last 20 years the popes at the time have made some serious modern changes to the religion. Who am I to say they cant or shouldnt change? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Womenpriests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Womenpriests autoexcomunicating ordained women? Then again I'm comparing this to Ajahn Brahm and ordaining buddhist monk women controversy. Why does religion have such a problem with women? >If there ever was an opium, atheism is the closest you get to one. No ultimate justice means your sins are of no ultimate consequence. I don't think I understand. In your words, what do you feel Karl Marx meant by opiate of the masses? > Human pride will foolishly oppose truth and reason, deny things like human nature, the existence of God, and what is objectively good and objectively evil to satisfy some desire that's taken possession of a man. If reason tells you that some desire should not be satisfied, then reason be damned!) Many religions certainly put sexual limitations on at least the clergy class. Buddhist monks certainly are not sexual, despite some abuses occurring. I think we are seeing what happens when sexual liberation and those limits fall. >A Christian, on the other hand, awaits his final judgement. He awaits the making public of his every sin and believes that his fate shall be sealed by them and by the authenticity of his faith (trust). That kind of moral austerity is not exactly my idea of opium. I dont know if I agree. The ability to not have to lock your front door because you lack the fear of dying to home robbers or something. That certainly soothes the mind. Obviously im only barely touching on the opiate. That's the thing, I'm even saying Karl Marx misunderstood, which is why Marxism ultimately fails.