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> b) join AUKUS as a junior partner, very painful but logical; Why is this logical? These partners have already shown that they are going to betray France's tr
by Balero 5y ago
> b) join AUKUS as a junior partner, very painful but logical;
Why is this logical? These partners have already shown that they are going to betray France's trust and lie to them. It would be better to be on your own than have unreliable partners, or worse ones that work against you.
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- woofie11 5y agoTo be fair, France has consistently betrayed its allies, throughout history. The start of WWII is worth looking at, where both France and Britain broke mutual defense treaty after mutual defense treaty appeasing Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War A lost sale in contrast? That seems more like normal business than lying and betrayal.
- kazen44 5y agomind you that pre world war two. the political and diplomatic game in Europe was far different then it is today. I would not expect France to the same behavior with other EU members.
- woofie11 5y agoNone of the other parties here are EU members. Culture runs deep. France adores Vercingetorix, who surrendered to Julius Caesar after "releasing" all the women and children to die of starvation between the Roman and French lines at the Battle Of Alesia. Since WWII, France has been a fickle ally to the US at best.
- inglor_cz 5y agoUnreliable partners are Europe's mode of operation since Antiquity. The positive side is that European countries mostly know what to expect from one another. Xi's China is a new player whose intents are much less legible.
- zaphirplane 5y agoIt’s not right to say to be allies you need to put my commercial interests above your security and commercial costs
- rualca 5y ago> These partners have already shown that they are going to betray France's trust and lie to them. What? Betray France? So France jeopardizes a nation's national defense by failing to deliver critical defense assets, and this is spun into being a betrayal on France? Are we supposed to put our blinders on to think that this issue is about France's commercial interests and not Australia's national security?
- Balero 5y agoThey hit their September deadline with the project, and all of the requested changes. The assets were on track, with the requested changes. The betrayal issue comes with the very recent statements from Australia about supporting the project, whilst behind the scenes unbeknownst to France planning to scrap it.