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It's pretty much only far-right parties that want to leave the EU nowadays.

cbmuser 5y ago
That doesn’t mean this particular political claim is far-right ideology. If only the right-wing parties support nuclear power, does that turn nuclear power into something rightwing?
- sc11 5y ago
  Neither the article nor the Wahl-o-Mat claim it would be far right ideology. The theses are to some extent chosen in a way to differentiate parties from another, not ideologies. This one just happens to work well for detecting/separating far right parties.
- wongarsu 5y ago
  From the perspective of Germany, the only arguments for leaving the EU are about nationalism or immigrants. Both of those have strong far-right tendencies, even if they are not exclusively far-right (which nobody claimed anyways).
kleiba 5y ago
The terms are also very culture-dependent. What's moderate in the US would probably be considered far-right in Germany.
- dry_soup 5y ago
  That's not what I'm getting at at all in this case. The left in Europe tends to be highly critical of the EU, and advocates either reforming the EU radically to make it more democratic or, if that isn't possible, leaving it. This is often referred to as "soft Euroscepticism".
  - tpm 5y ago
    Which left parties in Europe are advocating leaving the EU? I think these would be more hard-left than centre-left.
    - qsort 5y ago
      Yeah, that's how I would frame it as well. It's the populist right and the hard left who are the bulk of the leavers. Centre-left, centre-right and small-el liberals tend to range between somewhat and very pro-eu.
    - willyt 5y ago
      The Labour party in Britain was complicit in Brexit, otherwise it wouldn’t have happened. It is one of the only two mainstream parties that can realistically win an election. During the Brexit referendum and afterwards it was lead by someone from the left of the party who required the support of the far left to maintain his position. This resulted in the Labour party having a very unclear position on Brexit which lead thier older supporters to make up thier minds based on Facebook propaganda targeted by Cambridge Analytica who were contracted to the far right.
      - tpm 5y ago
        Yes, the Labour party is quite clueless in this regard, and also Corbyn probably genuinely did not like the EU. I don't think any of the remaining big left European parties are as naive as this.
belorn 5y ago
Are you talking about Germany only? In Sweden and Norway we have had parties that want to leave EU on both side of the political spectrum. The EU question has many aspects to it, in particular when it comes to fees, democratic control over laws, and voting rights. You need strong incentives to keep smaller countries that pay way more than they get back and which voting impact is dwarfed by larger countries. An argument I see in both countries is to simply force EU to lower the EU membership fee by putting down an ultimatum.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  >In Sweden and Norway we have had parties that want to leave EU on both side of the political spectrum. Norway isn't even in the EU so what gives?
- hef19898 5y ago
  How would Norway leave the EU before joining it in the first place?
  - belorn 5y ago
    Norways has a special deal with EU. One interpretation (might be unfair) is that they basically have all the responsibilities of an EU member but without voting rights. They do also pay some fees, through I think it is much smaller in total. In return they are part of the European Economic Area, which include most aspects of free movement and following of EU regulations. Some of the information can be gained from wikipedia (including which political parties is in favor or against): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93European_Union_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93European_Union_...
Blikkentrekker 5y ago
The Socialist Party in the Netherlands more or less wants to leave the E.U..

That doesn’t mean this particular political claim is far-right ideology. If only the right-wing parties support nuclear power, does that turn nuclear power into something rightwing?

sc11 5y ago
Neither the article nor the Wahl-o-Mat claim it would be far right ideology. The theses are to some extent chosen in a way to differentiate parties from another, not ideologies. This one just happens to work well for detecting/separating far right parties.
wongarsu 5y ago
From the perspective of Germany, the only arguments for leaving the EU are about nationalism or immigrants. Both of those have strong far-right tendencies, even if they are not exclusively far-right (which nobody claimed anyways).

kleiba 5y ago

The terms are also very culture-dependent. What's moderate in the US would probably be considered far-right in Germany.

dry_soup 5y ago
That's not what I'm getting at at all in this case. The left in Europe tends to be highly critical of the EU, and advocates either reforming the EU radically to make it more democratic or, if that isn't possible, leaving it. This is often referred to as "soft Euroscepticism".
- tpm 5y ago
  Which left parties in Europe are advocating leaving the EU? I think these would be more hard-left than centre-left.
  - qsort 5y ago
    Yeah, that's how I would frame it as well. It's the populist right and the hard left who are the bulk of the leavers. Centre-left, centre-right and small-el liberals tend to range between somewhat and very pro-eu.
  - willyt 5y ago
    The Labour party in Britain was complicit in Brexit, otherwise it wouldn’t have happened. It is one of the only two mainstream parties that can realistically win an election. During the Brexit referendum and afterwards it was lead by someone from the left of the party who required the support of the far left to maintain his position. This resulted in the Labour party having a very unclear position on Brexit which lead thier older supporters to make up thier minds based on Facebook propaganda targeted by Cambridge Analytica who were contracted to the far right.
    - tpm 5y ago
      Yes, the Labour party is quite clueless in this regard, and also Corbyn probably genuinely did not like the EU. I don't think any of the remaining big left European parties are as naive as this.

belorn 5y ago

Are you talking about Germany only? In Sweden and Norway we have had parties that want to leave EU on both side of the political spectrum. The EU question has many aspects to it, in particular when it comes to fees, democratic control over laws, and voting rights. You need strong incentives to keep smaller countries that pay way more than they get back and which voting impact is dwarfed by larger countries. An argument I see in both countries is to simply force EU to lower the EU membership fee by putting down an ultimatum.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>In Sweden and Norway we have had parties that want to leave EU on both side of the political spectrum. Norway isn't even in the EU so what gives?
hef19898 5y ago
How would Norway leave the EU before joining it in the first place?
- belorn 5y ago
  Norways has a special deal with EU. One interpretation (might be unfair) is that they basically have all the responsibilities of an EU member but without voting rights. They do also pay some fees, through I think it is much smaller in total. In return they are part of the European Economic Area, which include most aspects of free movement and following of EU regulations. Some of the information can be gained from wikipedia (including which political parties is in favor or against): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93European_Union_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93European_Union_...

Blikkentrekker 5y ago

The Socialist Party in the Netherlands more or less wants to leave the E.U..