3 ms·
The Berlin Wall was maybe not fascist, but the actions of the Soviet Union have in general been filed under the term totalitarianism, which is also used for fas
by locallost 5y ago
The Berlin Wall was maybe not fascist, but the actions of the Soviet Union have in general been filed under the term totalitarianism, which is also used for fascism. So some sense of equivalency is being provoked there for a long time.
The wall in Berlin is a good example that it doesn't take much to make this leap. It was meant to keep people in, and the walls now -- on the US border, the Mediterranean -- are meant to keep people out so in that way they are not the same. But if you look at them as a tool of preserving a way of life by forceful and brutal isolation then they are the same. If we conclude that the Berlin Wall was bad then surely the walls we see now are also at least bad. Only they are in the present and there is no textbook to spell it out that it's bad. And some might argue it's fascist, and I don't think we should dismiss it completely.
- namdnay 5y ago> If we conclude that the Berlin Wall was bad then surely the walls we see now are also at least bad “If locking someone in your basement is bad, that means locking your front door at night is bad too”
- vkou 5y agoThat would depend on whether or not you first burnt down your neighbour's house, creating a refugee crisis...
- mmustapic 5y agoIt's not a great comparison. I could also say "if locking someone in jail is bad, that means locking the jail to outsiders is bad too", and it supports a completely different point of view. Countries are not basements or homes, and are not private property.
- laumars 5y agoThat feels like a rather insincere interpretation but you’re arguably right. And in fact a great many people don’t lock their front door at night.
- locallost 5y agoIs it also the case that since locking people behind the Berlin Wall is bad we can make a simplistic analogy that locking people behind bars in prison is also bad? Or is life in general more complex, especially on the level of entire societies and their history?
- mmustapic 5y ago"Like all walls it was ambiguous, two-faced. What was inside it and what was outside it depended upon which side of it you were on.” ― Ursula K. Le Guin, The Dispossessed
- beerandt 5y agoIt wasn't ambiguous as to which side people wanted to be on, and which side wanted to flee.
- deleted 5y ago[deleted]
- throw8932894 5y agoWhat walls, what "forceful and brutal isolation"? Traffic between EU and other countries (Turkey) works normally except COVID restrictions. People can buy tickets, there is no need to climb walls or swim. We have embassies all around the world, it is easy to ask for asylum. If you are comparing current situation to fascism and Berlin Wall, you are out of your mind.
- locallost 5y ago> What walls, what "forceful and brutal isolation"? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Alan_Kurdi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Alan_Kurdi If you don't think what is on the link above is brutal, then you are out of your mind.
- throw8932894 5y agoYes, it is brutal, photo was arranged to be brutal. His father and people smugglers should be in jail. Turkey is a safe country, and Greece has embassies there. There was no need for this boy to die.
- deleted 5y ago[deleted]