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> Scihub Test Did you just coin that? Well done. Quick web and HN search, nearest I could find is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27805134 https://news.yc

> Scihub Test Did you just coin that? Well done. Quick web and HN search, nearest I could find is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27805134 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27805134

synctext 5y ago
Scihub test :-) Note our scientific progress towards "The Global Brain" https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/issues/3615#issuecomment-787913513 https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/issues/3615#issuecomment-... Specifically designed to improving science -Tribler team
- jancsika 5y ago
  So: currently failing the Sci-hub test, but already planning work in the direction of passing it. That sounds promising to me. But what about the issue of filtering out malicious relays? How do you achieve that without a centralized directory server?
  - synctext 5y ago
    Malicious relays have the option to give you bogus content or real content. The block-level hashes of Bittorrent prevent anything bad getting through. So just avoid relays which are not giving you good blocks. At another level, if relaying as honest, but curious (e.g. spying) you need to randomly select several relays and use them all in a long relay path. Pioneered by Tor team, results in excessive bandwidth usage.
jancsika 5y ago
Yes. :) It seems to be easier and less prone to flame wars than asking: * how easy is it for a newcomer to discover content on the privacy overlay? * what metadata gets leaked when someone searches, downloads, or hosts content? * how does the privacy overlay perform compared to the regular old web/internet? * what's the user experience like (e.g., do the devs even care whether non-technical people use their software or not) * what happens when some mildly interested party attacks the network * probably other bullets I'm forgetting It's way easier to just know if Sci-hub is there. Because if it is then a) they've solved the most important problems of a privacy overlay and b) they are probably actively being attacked so nobody has to speculate about their defenses.
- 8eye 5y ago
  solid points.

> Scihub Test Did you just coin that? Well done. Quick web and HN search, nearest I could find is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27805134 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27805134

synctext 5y ago

Scihub test :-) Note our scientific progress towards "The Global Brain" https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/issues/3615#issuecomment-787913513 https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/issues/3615#issuecomment-... Specifically designed to improving science -Tribler team

jancsika 5y ago
So: currently failing the Sci-hub test, but already planning work in the direction of passing it. That sounds promising to me. But what about the issue of filtering out malicious relays? How do you achieve that without a centralized directory server?
- synctext 5y ago
  Malicious relays have the option to give you bogus content or real content. The block-level hashes of Bittorrent prevent anything bad getting through. So just avoid relays which are not giving you good blocks. At another level, if relaying as honest, but curious (e.g. spying) you need to randomly select several relays and use them all in a long relay path. Pioneered by Tor team, results in excessive bandwidth usage.

jancsika 5y ago

Yes. :) It seems to be easier and less prone to flame wars than asking: * how easy is it for a newcomer to discover content on the privacy overlay? * what metadata gets leaked when someone searches, downloads, or hosts content? * how does the privacy overlay perform compared to the regular old web/internet? * what's the user experience like (e.g., do the devs even care whether non-technical people use their software or not) * what happens when some mildly interested party attacks the network * probably other bullets I'm forgetting It's way easier to just know if Sci-hub is there. Because if it is then a) they've solved the most important problems of a privacy overlay and b) they are probably actively being attacked so nobody has to speculate about their defenses.

8eye 5y ago
solid points.