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Everyone moved to telegram. They host your "offensive" memes and chats, they dont care. Right-wing, left-wing whatever you can post it there. You cant call for

by noxer 5y ago

Everyone moved to telegram. They host your "offensive" memes and chats, they dont care. Right-wing, left-wing whatever you can post it there. You cant call for violence or show violence, like gore content and terrorist videos do get removed. Everything else is fine (for now). Download the app from the website not form the stores to avoid googles censorship.

singh_ 5y ago
How long would telegram keep that reputation? They will succumb to pressure one day.
- ogurechny 5y ago
  Telegram has been succumbing to the pressure left and right for years now, from US and EU to Iran and Russia. Don't worry, it will always manage and find the compromise between its PR bullshit and corporate and state level requirements. I can't even imagine how many secret services monitor what's going on right on Telegram servers.
  - noxer 5y ago
    hurr durr [insert basic telegram hate here] hurr durr
    - ogurechny 5y ago
      I don't hate it, I've said it was a hoax since the first presentation (which was… drum roll… about rolling their own crypto — soon found to be accidentally or intentionally broken). You had to be mad to believe that literal Russian Zuckerberg, who had been known for behind-the-scenes compliance while keeping the facade of uncompromising struggle for freedom, was caring about you and your privacy. I doubt that anyone can have any trust in “secure” and “private” communication service that got banned in Iran only to be unbanned 3 days later. They were not so soft on other big names they banned. The outcome? Telegram is the most popular messaging app in Iran, and no one is searching for anything better. Perfect place to oversee the public.
      - noxer 5y ago
        Complete nonsense, all of it and completely irrelevant if used as an alternative to reddit none of that crypto/security/privacy nonsense maters at all. You have zero of that on reddit or FB or any other social media and its completely useless anyway for public communities who aren't trying to do anything illegal. The thread is about a place where your "offensive" community can be hosted without the owner overlords coming an declare it a hate-group, in case you missed that.
        ogurechny 5y ago
        Given many past examples, it's only until “public demands” to get it removed.
        noxer 5y ago
        Doesn't matter, people want a solution now and no one expects it to be forever. The user who asked is unlikely to waste time in such a community in 10 years anyway.
- noxer 5y ago
  Maybe, but nonetheless OP is looking for a palace NOW and since it lasted for 8 years it may as well last for another few.
fortran77 5y ago
When the group was on reddit, I liked it because it was laser-focused. The moderators didn't tolerate racism, anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric, antisemitism, sexism, etc. On these other platforms, the users seem to think that, in the name of "free speech" everything is allowed everywhere. So on other platforms that tried to host it, it's full of off-topic posts. The don't respect the rights of a group of people to carve out an area for themselves. Someone just needs to launch it on their own website, and hope the ISP doesn't pull it, or the DNS provider doesn't refuse to resolve it, etc.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  So you wanted to only hate one specific group, and you don't like it when people hate other groups as well. Maybe you need to sit down and think about if that is entirely consistent.
- noxer 5y ago
  Telegram is just like reddit in this regards. Its up to the user to make and enforce content rules in a closed community. If you want a channel/group with only very specific content then make it somewhat hard for stupid people to gain write permission and have a bunch of volunteer checking the content submitted. Every other platform would require similar strategies to get what you want. The existence of other groups/channels on telegram with other rules is completely irrelevant. If people are unable to switch between communities and respect the different rules in each then that's their problem and you just remove them.

by noxer 5y ago

singh_ 5y ago

How long would telegram keep that reputation? They will succumb to pressure one day.

ogurechny 5y ago
Telegram has been succumbing to the pressure left and right for years now, from US and EU to Iran and Russia. Don't worry, it will always manage and find the compromise between its PR bullshit and corporate and state level requirements. I can't even imagine how many secret services monitor what's going on right on Telegram servers.
- noxer 5y ago
  hurr durr [insert basic telegram hate here] hurr durr
  - ogurechny 5y ago
    I don't hate it, I've said it was a hoax since the first presentation (which was… drum roll… about rolling their own crypto — soon found to be accidentally or intentionally broken). You had to be mad to believe that literal Russian Zuckerberg, who had been known for behind-the-scenes compliance while keeping the facade of uncompromising struggle for freedom, was caring about you and your privacy. I doubt that anyone can have any trust in “secure” and “private” communication service that got banned in Iran only to be unbanned 3 days later. They were not so soft on other big names they banned. The outcome? Telegram is the most popular messaging app in Iran, and no one is searching for anything better. Perfect place to oversee the public.
    - noxer 5y ago
      Complete nonsense, all of it and completely irrelevant if used as an alternative to reddit none of that crypto/security/privacy nonsense maters at all. You have zero of that on reddit or FB or any other social media and its completely useless anyway for public communities who aren't trying to do anything illegal. The thread is about a place where your "offensive" community can be hosted without the owner overlords coming an declare it a hate-group, in case you missed that.
      - ogurechny 5y ago
        Given many past examples, it's only until “public demands” to get it removed.
        noxer 5y ago
        Doesn't matter, people want a solution now and no one expects it to be forever. The user who asked is unlikely to waste time in such a community in 10 years anyway.
noxer 5y ago
Maybe, but nonetheless OP is looking for a palace NOW and since it lasted for 8 years it may as well last for another few.

fortran77 5y ago

When the group was on reddit, I liked it because it was laser-focused. The moderators didn't tolerate racism, anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric, antisemitism, sexism, etc. On these other platforms, the users seem to think that, in the name of "free speech" everything is allowed everywhere. So on other platforms that tried to host it, it's full of off-topic posts. The don't respect the rights of a group of people to carve out an area for themselves. Someone just needs to launch it on their own website, and hope the ISP doesn't pull it, or the DNS provider doesn't refuse to resolve it, etc.

user-the-name 5y ago
So you wanted to only hate one specific group, and you don't like it when people hate other groups as well. Maybe you need to sit down and think about if that is entirely consistent.
noxer 5y ago
Telegram is just like reddit in this regards. Its up to the user to make and enforce content rules in a closed community. If you want a channel/group with only very specific content then make it somewhat hard for stupid people to gain write permission and have a bunch of volunteer checking the content submitted. Every other platform would require similar strategies to get what you want. The existence of other groups/channels on telegram with other rules is completely irrelevant. If people are unable to switch between communities and respect the different rules in each then that's their problem and you just remove them.