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>It’s not a fair market when people are avoiding those jobs because they can get paid for not working This is not a real thing, this is a fake assertion you ha
by maxsilver 5y ago
>It’s not a fair market when people are avoiding those jobs because they can get paid for not working
This is not a real thing, this is a fake assertion you have invented in your mind. No one is getting paid to "not work". And no, workers who have lost their job, collecting their unemployment they earned during past labour, never counts as getting "paid to not work".
>Once the government spending stops, things will change quickly.
In most places, the paltry, tiny financial aid for workers ended months ago, and nothing has changed at all.
> For instance here our dog daycare can’t hire enough employees
They should consider paying wages. If they paid money for labor, they'd get labour. It's really that simple.
What most "employers" actually want is nearly slave labour, volunteers, like they had pre pandemic. Employers swear up and down that no one wants to work, and then you find out they pay just $15/hr or some other insultingly low slave-like wage (a wage so low that no human could feasibly live alone off of it, much less advance in any way in their life).
A single adult with no debt, and no dependents, in Michigan, "making" $15/hr doesn't even take home enough money to rent a modest 1-bed apartment in the city, much less eat or do anything else with their life. At this wage, the adult is literally poorer every day they show up to work, they are literally donating their labour to a for-profit company. And most people are not "perfect ideal adults", they have children, or student loans, or elderly parents, or a tricky medical condition, or any other totally-normal totally-reasonable life complication that they need money to help cover, so they can show up to do good work for you.
I don't know your local market, but I guarantee if your dog daycare was in Michigan and it started paying $25/hr, they'd fill those positions in just a few days. Their employee "shortage" is a fake problem they have intentionally created for themselves, not some sort of indicator of people's willingness to work.
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Everyone wants to work right now. No one is hiring at a liveable wage. Most reasonable people are not going to get out of bed and go to work all day, just to end the day poorer then they started. That would be insane. But that insanity is what every company seems to demand of labour these days.
- specialist 5y ago> At this wage, the adult is literally poorer every day they show up to work, they are literally donating their labour to a for-profit company. Yes and: With gig work like Uber and DoorDash, the labor is also providing capital (car, phone, etc) with the hope of making it back in tips. The equivalent of usury, sharecropping, and pyramid scheme, all in one.
- oliv__ 5y agoTheir employee "shortage" is a fake problem they have intentionally created for themselves This is absurd. What fantasy world do you live in
- dang 5y agoYou've been repeatedly breaking the site guidelines quite badly. In fact, you've been doing it so often that I think we need to ban this account until we get some indication that you want to use the site as intended. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- crazydoggers 5y agoTexas literally stopped extended unemployment last week. That means it’s going to end soon. I talked to the owners. The applicants aren’t even asking what the pay rate is or negotiating it. They just don’t want to be out in 100 degree Texas weather picking up dog poop and are holding out while their paychecks still come in. So real world data, real world talking to people, rather than just conjecturing on the internet.