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No, I am against hate groups. They are the absolute worst of humanity, they destroy people, and they destroy societies. Do not participate in them. Do not supp

No, I am against hate groups. They are the absolute worst of humanity, they destroy people, and they destroy societies. Do not participate in them. Do not support them. Do everything you can to oppose them.

fortran77 5y ago
I’d bet you and I both would agree that we don’t like people who recklessly put themselves in a situation where they are at extreme risk to catch or spread COVID. If we were to have a forum that criticized people who won’t vaccinate, won’t distance, won’t wear protective masks, and promote unproven treatments would that be a “hate group?”
- mullingitover 5y ago
  Obesity isn't contagious so these things aren't remotely comparable. It was just a hate group, stop digging man.
  - robertlagrant 5y ago
    > It was just a hate group, stop digging man I like your ironic username.
- stavros 5y ago
  Yes. I visited /r/hermancainaward the other day becsuse I wanted to check it out, and I was stunned at how hateful the comments were against people who, sadly, had opinions that lead to their death. I was sad that people could be so misinformed/misled, but the subreddit seemed genuinely happy that these people died. That sounds very much like a hate group to me, and I'd like to see it as banned as fatpeoplehate (which has hate in the damn name) was. It's not about the subject of the criticism, it's how you go about it. These subreddit are toxic hate-pools, they aren't a force for good. They're reveling in the misfortune of others instead of trying to somehow help, and that's what makes them hate groups, not whether or not being fat or an antivaxxer is bad.
  - fortran77 5y ago
    > I was stunned at how hateful the comments were against people who, sadly, had opinions that lead to their death. And yet Reddit management is ok with it.
    - stavros 5y ago
      For now.
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      Reddit management is fine with literally anything as long as it does not give them bad press.
  - dunnevens 5y ago
    I don't think /r/hermancainaward counts as a hate group. They're not the ones killing these people. They don't advocate for violence. In the cases of non-notable people, names are blacked out to prevent doxxing. They don't harass people. It's very different than fatpeoplehate was. It's more about venting. The antivaxxers, who are often the same people who've resisted most of the public precautions, have been incredibly frustrating. They're overloading the hospital system. They're passing around disinformation. This whole crisis would be largely over in the US if it wasn't for them. They are actively making things worse. So people want to vent. There's a lot of anger against those holding out and making it worse for everyone. I don't see anything wrong with that venting. I can understand how such venting might be unpleasant to read. But avoiding the sub is easy. In terms of trying to help, there are so many resources available. It's not the responsibility of the HCA sub to provide them when FB or Google or countless other sites will provide good, easy-to-understand information at the drop of a hat. Often at the barest mention of the word "COVID". Though, I have seen vaccine holdouts show up in HCA, ask questions, and get treated politely and given useful information. And many of us have tried to help. I've provided resisters with information and suggestions in person and online. And am often met with hostility, mockery, and/or indifference. Yet another reason why the venting is cathartic.
    - fortran77 5y ago
kragen 5y ago
That's interesting. Can you elaborate on what this "anti-obesity" forum was like? How was it different from a hate group?
- user-the-name 5y ago
  Well, it was named "fatpeoplehate", which is a tiny little bit of a giveaway. Funny the original poster forgot to mention that detail, I wonder why.
  - kragen 5y ago
    Maybe they meant a different anti-obesity forum.
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      No other one matches the details given. Also, OP pretty much confirmed it.
      - kragen 5y ago
        Well, /r/fatpeoplehate was definitely a hate group. I wonder why they would go around claiming it wasn't.
        user-the-name 5y ago
        Nobody ever thinks they are in a hate group.

fortran77 5y ago

I’d bet you and I both would agree that we don’t like people who recklessly put themselves in a situation where they are at extreme risk to catch or spread COVID. If we were to have a forum that criticized people who won’t vaccinate, won’t distance, won’t wear protective masks, and promote unproven treatments would that be a “hate group?”

mullingitover 5y ago
Obesity isn't contagious so these things aren't remotely comparable. It was just a hate group, stop digging man.
- robertlagrant 5y ago
  > It was just a hate group, stop digging man I like your ironic username.
stavros 5y ago
Yes. I visited /r/hermancainaward the other day becsuse I wanted to check it out, and I was stunned at how hateful the comments were against people who, sadly, had opinions that lead to their death. I was sad that people could be so misinformed/misled, but the subreddit seemed genuinely happy that these people died. That sounds very much like a hate group to me, and I'd like to see it as banned as fatpeoplehate (which has hate in the damn name) was. It's not about the subject of the criticism, it's how you go about it. These subreddit are toxic hate-pools, they aren't a force for good. They're reveling in the misfortune of others instead of trying to somehow help, and that's what makes them hate groups, not whether or not being fat or an antivaxxer is bad.
- fortran77 5y ago
  > I was stunned at how hateful the comments were against people who, sadly, had opinions that lead to their death. And yet Reddit management is ok with it.
  - stavros 5y ago
    For now.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    Reddit management is fine with literally anything as long as it does not give them bad press.
- dunnevens 5y ago
  I don't think /r/hermancainaward counts as a hate group. They're not the ones killing these people. They don't advocate for violence. In the cases of non-notable people, names are blacked out to prevent doxxing. They don't harass people. It's very different than fatpeoplehate was. It's more about venting. The antivaxxers, who are often the same people who've resisted most of the public precautions, have been incredibly frustrating. They're overloading the hospital system. They're passing around disinformation. This whole crisis would be largely over in the US if it wasn't for them. They are actively making things worse. So people want to vent. There's a lot of anger against those holding out and making it worse for everyone. I don't see anything wrong with that venting. I can understand how such venting might be unpleasant to read. But avoiding the sub is easy. In terms of trying to help, there are so many resources available. It's not the responsibility of the HCA sub to provide them when FB or Google or countless other sites will provide good, easy-to-understand information at the drop of a hat. Often at the barest mention of the word "COVID". Though, I have seen vaccine holdouts show up in HCA, ask questions, and get treated politely and given useful information. And many of us have tried to help. I've provided resisters with information and suggestions in person and online. And am often met with hostility, mockery, and/or indifference. Yet another reason why the venting is cathartic.
  - fortran77 5y ago

kragen 5y ago

That's interesting. Can you elaborate on what this "anti-obesity" forum was like? How was it different from a hate group?

user-the-name 5y ago
Well, it was named "fatpeoplehate", which is a tiny little bit of a giveaway. Funny the original poster forgot to mention that detail, I wonder why.
- kragen 5y ago
  Maybe they meant a different anti-obesity forum.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    No other one matches the details given. Also, OP pretty much confirmed it.
    - kragen 5y ago
      Well, /r/fatpeoplehate was definitely a hate group. I wonder why they would go around claiming it wasn't.
      - user-the-name 5y ago
        Nobody ever thinks they are in a hate group.