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That is because it was, in fact, a hate group, not an "anti-obesity" group.

fortran77 5y ago
Ok, I get it. You're against free speech. But the point stands--it's difficult to find a place to host a forum that contains legal discussions that happen to offend the sensibilities of the type of people who run tech companies.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  No, I am against hate groups. They are the absolute worst of humanity, they destroy people, and they destroy societies. Do not participate in them. Do not support them. Do everything you can to oppose them.
  - fortran77 5y ago
    I’d bet you and I both would agree that we don’t like people who recklessly put themselves in a situation where they are at extreme risk to catch or spread COVID. If we were to have a forum that criticized people who won’t vaccinate, won’t distance, won’t wear protective masks, and promote unproven treatments would that be a “hate group?”
    - mullingitover 5y ago
      Obesity isn't contagious so these things aren't remotely comparable. It was just a hate group, stop digging man.
      - robertlagrant 5y ago
        > It was just a hate group, stop digging man I like your ironic username.
    - stavros 5y ago
      Yes. I visited /r/hermancainaward the other day becsuse I wanted to check it out, and I was stunned at how hateful the comments were against people who, sadly, had opinions that lead to their death. I was sad that people could be so misinformed/misled, but the subreddit seemed genuinely happy that these people died. That sounds very much like a hate group to me, and I'd like to see it as banned as fatpeoplehate (which has hate in the damn name) was. It's not about the subject of the criticism, it's how you go about it. These subreddit are toxic hate-pools, they aren't a force for good. They're reveling in the misfortune of others instead of trying to somehow help, and that's what makes them hate groups, not whether or not being fat or an antivaxxer is bad.
      - fortran77 5y ago
        > I was stunned at how hateful the comments were against people who, sadly, had opinions that lead to their death. And yet Reddit management is ok with it.
        stavros 5y ago
        For now.
        user-the-name 5y ago
        Reddit management is fine with literally anything as long as it does not give them bad press.
      - dunnevens 5y ago
        I don't think /r/hermancainaward counts as a hate group. They're not the ones killing these people. They don't advocate for violence. In the cases of non-notable people, names are blacked out to prevent doxxing. They don't harass people. It's very different than fatpeoplehate was. It's more about venting. The antivaxxers, who are often the same people who've resisted most of the public precautions, have been incredibly frustrating. They're overloading the hospital system. They're passing around disinformation. This whole crisis would be largely over in the US if it wasn't for them. They are actively making things worse. So people want to vent. There's a lot of anger against those holding out and making it worse for everyone. I don't see anything wrong with that venting. I can understand how such venting might be unpleasant to read. But avoiding the sub is easy. In terms of trying to help, there are so many resources available. It's not the responsibility of the HCA sub to provide them when FB or Google or countless other sites will provide good, easy-to-understand information at the drop of a hat. Often at the barest mention of the word "COVID". Though, I have seen vaccine holdouts show up in HCA, ask questions, and get treated politely and given useful information. And many of us have tried to help. I've provided resisters with information and suggestions in person and online. And am often met with hostility, mockery, and/or indifference. Yet another reason why the venting is cathartic.
  - kragen 5y ago
    That's interesting. Can you elaborate on what this "anti-obesity" forum was like? How was it different from a hate group?
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      Well, it was named "fatpeoplehate", which is a tiny little bit of a giveaway. Funny the original poster forgot to mention that detail, I wonder why.
      - kragen 5y ago
        Maybe they meant a different anti-obesity forum.
        user-the-name 5y ago
        No other one matches the details given. Also, OP pretty much confirmed it.
        kragen 5y ago
        Well, /r/fatpeoplehate was definitely a hate group. I wonder why they would go around claiming it wasn't.
        user-the-name 5y ago
        Nobody ever thinks they are in a hate group.
- mullingitover 5y ago
  > Ok, I get it. You're against free speech. Another day, another person confusing 'free speech' with a private publisher not wanting to publish hate speech. You're entitled to print what you want, you're not entitled to force someone else to print anything.
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  - fortran77 5y ago
    I said was I couldn’t find another place that would host it. I didn’t say that Reddit didn’t have a right to remove it.
  - barbacoa 5y ago
    >>you're not entitled to force someone else to print anything. Unless you're the surgeon general. Then you can force private companies to publish compelled speech on their alcohol and tobacco products.
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    - mullingitover 5y ago
      That was a very acceptable tradeoff for the makers of those products - I'm pretty sure they're rather print reasonable warnings than just have their products, which are indisputably health hazards, banned entirely.
  - test542 5y ago
    No one is printing anything.
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      Yeah, because you're perfectly willing to accept that your "free speech!" can't compel someone else to operate their printing press for you... But a server on the Internet is such a totally different thing, for sure! IOW: This ancient figure of speech is used precisely to show that the issue is exactly the same old one that has been thoroughly hashed out for centuries.
- lancesells 5y ago
  You can't find a hosting provider for an anti-obesity forum? I would think there are all types of servers you could find.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    It might be because it is not actually an "anti-obesity forum" but actually a hate group that was kicked out for good reason.
- JaimeThompson 5y ago
  The Dixie Chicks, the PMRC, and a host of other examples show this isn't a new phenomenon.

Ok, I get it. You're against free speech. But the point stands--it's difficult to find a place to host a forum that contains legal discussions that happen to offend the sensibilities of the type of people who run tech companies.

user-the-name 5y ago
No, I am against hate groups. They are the absolute worst of humanity, they destroy people, and they destroy societies. Do not participate in them. Do not support them. Do everything you can to oppose them.
- fortran77 5y ago
  I’d bet you and I both would agree that we don’t like people who recklessly put themselves in a situation where they are at extreme risk to catch or spread COVID. If we were to have a forum that criticized people who won’t vaccinate, won’t distance, won’t wear protective masks, and promote unproven treatments would that be a “hate group?”
  - mullingitover 5y ago
    Obesity isn't contagious so these things aren't remotely comparable. It was just a hate group, stop digging man.
    - robertlagrant 5y ago
      > It was just a hate group, stop digging man I like your ironic username.
  - stavros 5y ago
    Yes. I visited /r/hermancainaward the other day becsuse I wanted to check it out, and I was stunned at how hateful the comments were against people who, sadly, had opinions that lead to their death. I was sad that people could be so misinformed/misled, but the subreddit seemed genuinely happy that these people died. That sounds very much like a hate group to me, and I'd like to see it as banned as fatpeoplehate (which has hate in the damn name) was. It's not about the subject of the criticism, it's how you go about it. These subreddit are toxic hate-pools, they aren't a force for good. They're reveling in the misfortune of others instead of trying to somehow help, and that's what makes them hate groups, not whether or not being fat or an antivaxxer is bad.
    - fortran77 5y ago
      > I was stunned at how hateful the comments were against people who, sadly, had opinions that lead to their death. And yet Reddit management is ok with it.
      - stavros 5y ago
        For now.
      - user-the-name 5y ago
        Reddit management is fine with literally anything as long as it does not give them bad press.
    - dunnevens 5y ago
      I don't think /r/hermancainaward counts as a hate group. They're not the ones killing these people. They don't advocate for violence. In the cases of non-notable people, names are blacked out to prevent doxxing. They don't harass people. It's very different than fatpeoplehate was. It's more about venting. The antivaxxers, who are often the same people who've resisted most of the public precautions, have been incredibly frustrating. They're overloading the hospital system. They're passing around disinformation. This whole crisis would be largely over in the US if it wasn't for them. They are actively making things worse. So people want to vent. There's a lot of anger against those holding out and making it worse for everyone. I don't see anything wrong with that venting. I can understand how such venting might be unpleasant to read. But avoiding the sub is easy. In terms of trying to help, there are so many resources available. It's not the responsibility of the HCA sub to provide them when FB or Google or countless other sites will provide good, easy-to-understand information at the drop of a hat. Often at the barest mention of the word "COVID". Though, I have seen vaccine holdouts show up in HCA, ask questions, and get treated politely and given useful information. And many of us have tried to help. I've provided resisters with information and suggestions in person and online. And am often met with hostility, mockery, and/or indifference. Yet another reason why the venting is cathartic.
- kragen 5y ago
  That's interesting. Can you elaborate on what this "anti-obesity" forum was like? How was it different from a hate group?
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    Well, it was named "fatpeoplehate", which is a tiny little bit of a giveaway. Funny the original poster forgot to mention that detail, I wonder why.
    - kragen 5y ago
      Maybe they meant a different anti-obesity forum.
      - user-the-name 5y ago
        No other one matches the details given. Also, OP pretty much confirmed it.
        kragen 5y ago
        Well, /r/fatpeoplehate was definitely a hate group. I wonder why they would go around claiming it wasn't.
        user-the-name 5y ago
        Nobody ever thinks they are in a hate group.
mullingitover 5y ago
> Ok, I get it. You're against free speech. Another day, another person confusing 'free speech' with a private publisher not wanting to publish hate speech. You're entitled to print what you want, you're not entitled to force someone else to print anything.
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- fortran77 5y ago
  I said was I couldn’t find another place that would host it. I didn’t say that Reddit didn’t have a right to remove it.
- barbacoa 5y ago
  >>you're not entitled to force someone else to print anything. Unless you're the surgeon general. Then you can force private companies to publish compelled speech on their alcohol and tobacco products.
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  - mullingitover 5y ago
    That was a very acceptable tradeoff for the makers of those products - I'm pretty sure they're rather print reasonable warnings than just have their products, which are indisputably health hazards, banned entirely.
- test542 5y ago
  No one is printing anything.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    Yeah, because you're perfectly willing to accept that your "free speech!" can't compel someone else to operate their printing press for you... But a server on the Internet is such a totally different thing, for sure! IOW: This ancient figure of speech is used precisely to show that the issue is exactly the same old one that has been thoroughly hashed out for centuries.
lancesells 5y ago
You can't find a hosting provider for an anti-obesity forum? I would think there are all types of servers you could find.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  It might be because it is not actually an "anti-obesity forum" but actually a hate group that was kicked out for good reason.
JaimeThompson 5y ago
The Dixie Chicks, the PMRC, and a host of other examples show this isn't a new phenomenon.