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This is my big pet peeve with people who describe Youtube's demonetization policies as "censorship" and propose Peertube as a replacement. I'm not going to get

This is my big pet peeve with people who describe Youtube's demonetization policies as "censorship" and propose Peertube as a replacement. I'm not going to get entangled in the question of what responsibility big social media has and what it should or shouldn't do about giving people platforms, but I will say that if you believe demonetization and being de-prioritized in youtube's discovery algorithms is being deplatformed/censored, moving to a service that doesn't really have monetization or youtube-style content discovery isn't the solution. If you move your content to PeerTube and want both an audience and to be paid, you'll need a combination of third party services and other social media, and will likely end up with similar problems re: advertisers cutting out "unacceptable content". I do think it'd probably be better if the content provider was divested from this layer and focused on only providing media, but Peertube doesn't really solve these social/economic problems people complain about with Youtube.

zelphirkalt 5y ago
One way people could start is by uploading content on both, Youtube and a PeerTube instance and mention their PeerTube content in YouTube videos. This way they also create a kind of online backup, in case YouTube's algorithms decide to take them down.
- belorn 5y ago
  If I am remembering right from linus tech tips, they are not allowed to try get viewers to go to an other platform. The are some ways one can indirect reference other platforms, but videos intended to get people off youtube is basically not allowed.
  - zelphirkalt 5y ago
    Oh my, I did not even know that. That's so toxic. Shouldn't that fall under some kind of monopoly law?
    - spijdar 5y ago
      There are a number of prominent YouTubers who advertise their own alternative platforms fairly regularly, if "indirectly". There are also videos about LTT's own video service Floatplane on YouTube [0] I'm guessing that either there's some clause in the YouTube partner/adsense program saying you can't just redirect your viewers elsewhere or you can't upload videos with the sole purpose of saying "go here for more videos". That said, I'd be interested to see the details of what GP was talking about, because I believe it exists, I just wonder what the exacts are. [0] https://youtu.be/oOOOfZWXPu4 https://youtu.be/oOOOfZWXPu4
      - belorn 5y ago
        I was going to say that digging through wan shows to find a reference was too hard but then duckduckgo gave me a hit of a HN post I made that referenced the twitter post. https://twitter.com/linustech/status/1008752236027973632?lang=en https://twitter.com/linustech/status/1008752236027973632?lan... And here is the wan show discussing it (thanks to a comment on HN): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtJY6soCds&t=698s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtJY6soCds&t=698s
  - hendersoon 5y ago
    Linus and co founded Floatplane, which is explicitly another platform competing with YouTube. It isn't very successful, but they certainly did it. https://www.floatplane.com/ https://www.floatplane.com/
  - dvdkon 5y ago
    Wasnt't that Twitch? They talk about Floatplane on YT often enough.
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  - judge2020 5y ago
    The only restriction YouTube has is that you can’t create videos that purely say “go check us out on this other platform”, which is what they used to do for WAN show when it was only streamed on Twitch but announced on YT.
    - krapp 5y ago
      Yeah, I've seen several creators mention "extended" or "uncensored" versions of their content on another platform. Off the top of my head, Corridor Digital is one example that advertises their alternative content pretty heavily.
equality_1138 5y ago
I think when certain very talented creators get "demonetized" and they have a bad experience with customer service trying to understand why, and maybe suspect the criteria changed without they're knowing, it's relatively understandable to over-react and say their hard work was censored, even if knowing it doesn't meet the legal standard. I wouldn't let it bother you so much.

zelphirkalt 5y ago

One way people could start is by uploading content on both, Youtube and a PeerTube instance and mention their PeerTube content in YouTube videos. This way they also create a kind of online backup, in case YouTube's algorithms decide to take them down.

belorn 5y ago
If I am remembering right from linus tech tips, they are not allowed to try get viewers to go to an other platform. The are some ways one can indirect reference other platforms, but videos intended to get people off youtube is basically not allowed.
- zelphirkalt 5y ago
  Oh my, I did not even know that. That's so toxic. Shouldn't that fall under some kind of monopoly law?
  - spijdar 5y ago
    There are a number of prominent YouTubers who advertise their own alternative platforms fairly regularly, if "indirectly". There are also videos about LTT's own video service Floatplane on YouTube [0] I'm guessing that either there's some clause in the YouTube partner/adsense program saying you can't just redirect your viewers elsewhere or you can't upload videos with the sole purpose of saying "go here for more videos". That said, I'd be interested to see the details of what GP was talking about, because I believe it exists, I just wonder what the exacts are. [0] https://youtu.be/oOOOfZWXPu4 https://youtu.be/oOOOfZWXPu4
    - belorn 5y ago
      I was going to say that digging through wan shows to find a reference was too hard but then duckduckgo gave me a hit of a HN post I made that referenced the twitter post. https://twitter.com/linustech/status/1008752236027973632?lang=en https://twitter.com/linustech/status/1008752236027973632?lan... And here is the wan show discussing it (thanks to a comment on HN): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtJY6soCds&t=698s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtJY6soCds&t=698s
- hendersoon 5y ago
  Linus and co founded Floatplane, which is explicitly another platform competing with YouTube. It isn't very successful, but they certainly did it. https://www.floatplane.com/ https://www.floatplane.com/
- dvdkon 5y ago
  Wasnt't that Twitch? They talk about Floatplane on YT often enough.
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- judge2020 5y ago
  The only restriction YouTube has is that you can’t create videos that purely say “go check us out on this other platform”, which is what they used to do for WAN show when it was only streamed on Twitch but announced on YT.
  - krapp 5y ago
    Yeah, I've seen several creators mention "extended" or "uncensored" versions of their content on another platform. Off the top of my head, Corridor Digital is one example that advertises their alternative content pretty heavily.

equality_1138 5y ago

I think when certain very talented creators get "demonetized" and they have a bad experience with customer service trying to understand why, and maybe suspect the criteria changed without they're knowing, it's relatively understandable to over-react and say their hard work was censored, even if knowing it doesn't meet the legal standard. I wouldn't let it bother you so much.