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I am not an expert on this, so take it with a grain of salt: Neutrinos are not directly detected. What happens is that they interact with matter in a medium an

I am not an expert on this, so take it with a grain of salt: Neutrinos are not directly detected. What happens is that they interact with matter in a medium and produce muons or electrons that are moving faster than the speed of light in that medium. That's only possible because the speed of light in said medium is less than the speed of light in vaccuum by the way. These fast-moving, charged particles lead to the generation of a cone of cherenkov radiation, not unlike a supersonic object is producing a mach cone. From that cone, the direction of the particle motion can be inferred. One could also keep the detector running while switching the source on and off to establish a baseline and calculate the excess of detected particles while the source was switched on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation

misnome 5y ago
This is somewhat correct, but talking about only one class of experiment (Cherenkov detectors). Indeed it’s the child-particles of the interactions that are observed, so, electrons muons and Tau particles. Depending how you are measuring, (many approaches) these interactions are generally separable - and usually you can get some directionality out of your measured event - so you know the direction it came from. Combining the direction with timing - with an accelerator you know exactly when the pulse of neutrinos were produced - this means you can exclude a very large amount of background. Some background does get through, but you can measure it with e.g. the source turned off as you suggest, or the times when you know the source isn’t otherwise producing (like in between pulses) to get a background rate. You then generate enough data from the source to effectively “drown out” the background. Much the same can be done with reactor sources - very often when building an experiment with a reactor as a source, there will be some government-level agreement to allow knowledge of what power the reactor is being run at, as well as shutdowns. Along with Cherenkov, there are and have been scintillator, chemical-energy-deposition, Photographic film and even ocean-audio based methods of detection. Probably some more exotic ones I am forgetting also. (I did a PHD in neutrino physics, although been out of the field a few years)
- _Microft 5y ago
  Thanks for the reply, it is very much appreciated! I did not know that "ocean-audio based methods of detection" for neutrinos are even possible and will certainly look that up later.
  - misnome 5y ago
    I don’t know if any of them ever ended up getting off the ground, but the theory was that you could pick up the step-function shockwave from underwater interactions with a giant array of microphones. There were some test arrays in the Mediterranean IIRC, but cursory searches seem to imply that optical underwater arrays seem to have been pursued instead. It always seemed a neat idea, that you could instrument absolutely gigantic volumes with.
    - _Microft 5y ago
      I guess the sound might be very characteristic because variations in the process of generation might be limited (amount of energy delivered / type of particle created?) and I would expect it to sound a lot like a sharp "ping" if I had to take a guess. Temperature, salinity and currents would affect propagation and dispersion but deep enough in the sea there might be a stable enough environment to be able account for that. A very interesting idea at least!

misnome 5y ago

This is somewhat correct, but talking about only one class of experiment (Cherenkov detectors). Indeed it’s the child-particles of the interactions that are observed, so, electrons muons and Tau particles. Depending how you are measuring, (many approaches) these interactions are generally separable - and usually you can get some directionality out of your measured event - so you know the direction it came from. Combining the direction with timing - with an accelerator you know exactly when the pulse of neutrinos were produced - this means you can exclude a very large amount of background. Some background does get through, but you can measure it with e.g. the source turned off as you suggest, or the times when you know the source isn’t otherwise producing (like in between pulses) to get a background rate. You then generate enough data from the source to effectively “drown out” the background. Much the same can be done with reactor sources - very often when building an experiment with a reactor as a source, there will be some government-level agreement to allow knowledge of what power the reactor is being run at, as well as shutdowns. Along with Cherenkov, there are and have been scintillator, chemical-energy-deposition, Photographic film and even ocean-audio based methods of detection. Probably some more exotic ones I am forgetting also. (I did a PHD in neutrino physics, although been out of the field a few years)

_Microft 5y ago
Thanks for the reply, it is very much appreciated! I did not know that "ocean-audio based methods of detection" for neutrinos are even possible and will certainly look that up later.
- misnome 5y ago
  I don’t know if any of them ever ended up getting off the ground, but the theory was that you could pick up the step-function shockwave from underwater interactions with a giant array of microphones. There were some test arrays in the Mediterranean IIRC, but cursory searches seem to imply that optical underwater arrays seem to have been pursued instead. It always seemed a neat idea, that you could instrument absolutely gigantic volumes with.
  - _Microft 5y ago
    I guess the sound might be very characteristic because variations in the process of generation might be limited (amount of energy delivered / type of particle created?) and I would expect it to sound a lot like a sharp "ping" if I had to take a guess. Temperature, salinity and currents would affect propagation and dispersion but deep enough in the sea there might be a stable enough environment to be able account for that. A very interesting idea at least!