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You can always find a comparison that is extreme in either direction. There is nothing that suggests that the outcome in Sweden would have been that of Norway,

You can always find a comparison that is extreme in either direction. There is nothing that suggests that the outcome in Sweden would have been that of Norway, if the policies had been more similar. It’s possible, but far from certain. Also, given how many deaths are of extremely vulnerable elderly (many of which would have died from any cold, or within a year regardless), “total deaths” are perhaps not the best measure of success. It will show how well the disease was kept out of living facilities for the very old, mostly (which in Sweden was “not very well”). The difference in how elderly care is operated in Sweden and Norway is pretty big, and that I think is a policy failure that should be looked at.

graeme 5y ago
> There is nothing that suggests that the outcome in Sweden would have been that of Norway, if the policies had been more similar. All the other scandinavian countries had policies and outcomes like norway.
- Trombone12 5y ago
  Denmark has more than twice the cumulative deaths per million people of Norway, are you saying that is still to be considered the same outcome?
  - masklinn 5y ago
    2x seems like a much closer ballpark than 10x, especially with Denmark being part of mainland europe and significantly denser? (Denmark has a higher population than Norway on 1/10th the surface, excluding greenland).
    - rndgermandude 5y ago
      Density may play a role, but Norway, Denmark and Finland have urbanization rates of 83% to 88%. E.g. a fifth of Norway's entire population resides within the Oslo metropolitan area and a fifth of Sweden's population resides within the Stockholm metropolitan area.
  - rndgermandude 5y ago
    Denmark is a lot closer to Norway than Sweden. Denmark has a third of the COVID-related deaths of Sweden. I think the actual numbers are more illustrative here than fractions: - Sweden: ~1450 deaths per million Population: ~10.2 million Density: ~25 people/km^2 Urbanization: 88% Rates compared: 10x Norway, 8x Finland, 3x Denmark - Denmark: ~450 deaths per million Population: ~5.8 million Density: ~137 people/km^2 Urbanization: 88% Rates compared: 3x Norway, 2.5x Finland - Finland: ~190 deaths per million Population: ~5.5 million Density: ~18 people/km^2 Urbanization: 86% Rates compared: 1.2x Norway - Norway: ~150 deaths per million Population: ~5.3 million Density: ~15 people/km^2 Urbanization: 83%
KarlKemp 5y ago
> given how many deaths are of extremely vulnerable elderly (many of which would have died from any cold, or within a year regardless), I though we had really gotten over this? Then again, I thought we had gotten over the idea of Sweden’s tenfold death rate being good in any sense, as well…
- alkonaut 5y ago
  Not great, not terrible…

graeme 5y ago

> There is nothing that suggests that the outcome in Sweden would have been that of Norway, if the policies had been more similar. All the other scandinavian countries had policies and outcomes like norway.

Trombone12 5y ago
Denmark has more than twice the cumulative deaths per million people of Norway, are you saying that is still to be considered the same outcome?
- masklinn 5y ago
  2x seems like a much closer ballpark than 10x, especially with Denmark being part of mainland europe and significantly denser? (Denmark has a higher population than Norway on 1/10th the surface, excluding greenland).
  - rndgermandude 5y ago
    Density may play a role, but Norway, Denmark and Finland have urbanization rates of 83% to 88%. E.g. a fifth of Norway's entire population resides within the Oslo metropolitan area and a fifth of Sweden's population resides within the Stockholm metropolitan area.
- rndgermandude 5y ago
  Denmark is a lot closer to Norway than Sweden. Denmark has a third of the COVID-related deaths of Sweden. I think the actual numbers are more illustrative here than fractions: - Sweden: ~1450 deaths per million Population: ~10.2 million Density: ~25 people/km^2 Urbanization: 88% Rates compared: 10x Norway, 8x Finland, 3x Denmark - Denmark: ~450 deaths per million Population: ~5.8 million Density: ~137 people/km^2 Urbanization: 88% Rates compared: 3x Norway, 2.5x Finland - Finland: ~190 deaths per million Population: ~5.5 million Density: ~18 people/km^2 Urbanization: 86% Rates compared: 1.2x Norway - Norway: ~150 deaths per million Population: ~5.3 million Density: ~15 people/km^2 Urbanization: 83%

KarlKemp 5y ago

> given how many deaths are of extremely vulnerable elderly (many of which would have died from any cold, or within a year regardless), I though we had really gotten over this? Then again, I thought we had gotten over the idea of Sweden’s tenfold death rate being good in any sense, as well…

alkonaut 5y ago
Not great, not terrible…