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> Most jobs can and will fire you for no good reason and most jobs provide little to no protection. Most jobs will fire you for being late a couple of times. W
by crazydoggers 5y ago
> Most jobs can and will fire you for no good reason and most jobs provide little to no protection. Most jobs will fire you for being late a couple of times.
Well at least in the US we have unemployment benefits when you’re fired without cause. But yes, being late a few times is cause to be fired, and rightly so.
I think perhaps the real issue is that people’s perceptions have changed, and I don’t think for the better.
If you’re an unskilled laborer, then for the moment, your value to society is doing unskilled jobs.
Now a whole host of reasons cause people to be unskilled. From their current socioeconomic status, to mental health reasons etc, to just honest poor life choices, like not valuing education.
But there’s no free lunch in society, and ultimately that’s the current disconnect. Those that can only get unskilled jobs have now gotten benefits extended and are enjoying not doing “demeaning jobs”. And yet how do they enjoy that? Without society safety nets people would then need to do the demeaning jobs of supplying their own food and water. Hunting or foraging for food in 100 degree weather for 0 dollars, dealing with injuries on their own.
So these same people complaining are also willing to take for granted the strawberries and meat at the grocery that another person worked hard for to provide. They take for granted the shelter that was built and maintained over there head, but they don’t see that they should provide equal work back to society for that enjoyment.
Now there’s obviously a lot of real issues with labor fairness, minimum wage needs to be increased across the board, companies need to be held accountable for pushing a gig economy that strips employees of benefits etc. But the progress in labor fairness in the US,
8 hour work days, minimum wage, workplace safety, has been fought for in literal blood.
Now we have a generation of people who take all that for granted, and that’s a problem.
Edit: I also add this. These same people who say others haven’t worked such jobs, have not themselves lived in a society that is truly difficult. Many people have lived through or had family live through conditions that would make these people cry. Ask a migrant. Ask people who have had to flee countries and could barely subsist.
Those people are the ones thankful to have a “demeaning job” because in reality, difficult does not mean demeaning.
It’s entitlement, very pure and simple. And it won’t serve this generation well.
Prove me wrong with reasoned responses and discussion rather than downvotes.
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- mindslight 5y agoYou need to direct the moralizing where it belongs - this decoupling of value from labor has been happening for decades, led by the managerial class and the economic priesthood. I'd much rather develop software than scrub toilets, and yet the former is highly compensated while the latter is not. This is highly convenient if you're a software developer or (other) vectoralist, but is ultimately unsustainable for having a distributed economy. People deciding to not show up to do physical tasks for peanuts (while being told to ignore the pandemic) is the correction from the decades long trend of their work being devalued. Although really I think this whole "labor shortage" thing is overblown. What really happened is a reorganization. Most jobs of last resort laid everyone off, and those people found new uses for their time - taking care of their own children, working for better-paying delivery companies, gig work where they didn't have to come into contact with screaming randos, etc. Now the jobs of last resort feel entitled to magically conjure "their" workers back, and are finding that they've gone elsewhere.
- crazydoggers 5y agoIm not the one moralizing. In fact I’m doing the opposite. Scrubbing toilets pays less because fewer people can write software. Any human being can scrub a toilet. That’s what unskilled labor means. I have done menial jobs and taken pride in every one. The vast majority of your “managerial class” have done the same. The difference is they never stopped applying themselves and worked tooth and nail to get where they are. The idea of some huge protected aristocracy in the US is a convenient myth. It makes up less than 1%. The rest of us work and worked our asses off. So please stop covering laziness with moralizing. The rest of us are working and tired of the entitlement from the parasites. Edit: One only needs to look at your words. “Puppet masters”, “preisthood”, “debt based economy”, etc. None of it jibes with reality. I suggest perhaps examining what psychologist would call your external locus of control, it won’t serve you well in life. Taking a class in economics and reading up on labor history on the US would also be helpful.